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Mark of the Beast

FFH

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mondex - Cursed chip. Oh! A calamity in my hand shall come.[/FONT]​

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FFH

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Faint said:
Yeah yeah, and before that it was barcodes. Twenty years from now you'll be telling us the mark is in retinal scans. Meanwhile, you'll still be waiting for the antichrist to show up when we all know his name is Clay Aiken.
20 years from now the whole earth will have already been obliterated, and there will be a new heavens and a new earth. The "Mark of the Beast" is a sign that shows us where we are in the scheme of things. That being right at the beginning of the final 7 year tribulation.
 

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christians have been seeing this coming since year 30 or so...makes for good horror or science fiction movies, but not much else.
 

SoyLeche

meh...
No*s said:
I don't know, and I don't think we'll know until the time comes. I can say that microchips, tatoos, and the like are rather simplistic solutions to it. If it requires "wisdom," then it isn't going to be something so blaringly obvious. My guess would be to look first for something in the Roman imperial cult and see how Christians related to it and how people were initiated instead of mixing and matching the latest technological fad.
I'm going to have to go with No*s on this one. The whole microchip thing is a bit too obvious. I'm waiting for all of the Fundamentalist Christians to get an anti-microchip mark put on their hands and not allowing anyone who uses something like verichip buy anything. It will be some great irony, especially when Pat Robertson reveals himself as the antichrist. Bwahhh haa haa:devil:
 

Nehustan

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No*s said:
I don't know, and I don't think we'll know until the time comes. I can say that microchips, tatoos, and the like are rather simplistic solutions to it. If it requires "wisdom," then it isn't going to be something so blaringly obvious. My guess would be to look first for something in the Roman imperial cult and see how Christians related to it and how people were initiated instead of mixing and matching the latest technological fad.

Very astute No*s, the rite of Sol Invictus....Bravo. Especially given the number of the Sun by Kamea is 666, and that every star in the sky is effectively solar, tho' I prefer the term stellar. Also the resurrection story has overtones of Solar rites, the sun goes down (death) and rises again. In the Bible it also says that Jesus was crucified spiritually in Aegypt, and of course we have the god Ra, and the god Osiris both considered solar deities.
 

FFH

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I believe that the final 7 year tribulation will start when the VeriChip Corporation, along with Mondex, launches a great advertising campaign to sell their chips to the masses. VeriChip will be placed under the skin of the right hand, while Mondex will offer a more humane, and less obtrusive, but equally cursed, way of paying for things.
 
III. THE NUMBER AND MARK OF THE BEAST

Two of the most important aspects of the beast's power are brought to light in Revelation 13: "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." Revelation 13:16-18. So far in our study we have described nine identifying marks of the beast power and its application to the papacy. Right here we will add the tenth point to our list by explaining the number of his name.
According to Revelation 13:17, the number of his name will also be the number of a man. Undoubtedly this refers to the man who heads the beast power. The ancient method of deriving the number of a name is to take the numerical value of all letters and add them up to get the sum. If we want to apply this test to the papacy, we must find the official name of the pope, who is the head of his church. If this is the number of a man, it would naturally be the man who is the head of the organization.
It is interesting to note that there is an official Latin title for the pope, a title which has been granted by the Church itself. This title is found repeatedly in the publications of Rome. But in the weekly Catholic newspaper, Our Sunday Visitor, of April 1915, we have the interesting statement that the letters of the official title are inscribed in the pope's miter. Here is the actual quotation: "The letters inscribed in the pope's miter are these; Vicarius Filii Dei, which is the Latin for Ԗicar of the Son of God.' Catholics hold that the Church, which is a visible society, must have a visible head; Christ, before His ascension into heaven, appointed St. Peter to act as His representative. Hence, to the Bishop of Rome as head of the church, was given the title, Ԗicar of Christ.'" At present the pope's miter does not contain the Latin title, but the words are incorporated into the coronation ceremonies of each newly crowned pope.
So with this official name of the pope in hand we can proceed to apply the test of the Scripture. How do we derive the number of his name? By getting the numerical value of the Roman numerals of the title Vicarius Filii Dei, we actually come to a definite number 666. Notice how it is worked out below as each letter is given its numerical value:


V - 5 F - 0 D - 500I - 1 I - 1 E - 0C - 100 L - 50 I - 1A - 0 I - 1R - 0 I - 1I - 1UorV - 5S - 0 112 + 53 + 501 = 666Someone might object that this could be a coincidental occurrence. We grant that it is possible for such a thing to be a mere happenstance if we had only this one mark of identity to lean upon. But the fact is that this is the tenth of a long list of characteristic marks which the Bible uses to identify the beast power. It only adds weight and strength to that which has already been said in making the application to the papal power. It is the capstone proof in conjunction with all the other marks laid down so clearly in the Scripture
 
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Nehustan

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I think 'chips' (and I'm not talking 'freedom' fries here) may well have a part to play allowing people to have the 'heads of scorpions with which they do hurt'. Myself I'm a scorpio so I was born with one....:sarcastic...head that does hurt that is....I didn't get my chip till '93 :p
 

Mister Emu

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Also the resurrection story has overtones of Solar rites, the sun goes down (death) and rises again.

Mondex- Cursed chip. Oh! A calamity in my hand shall come.

If we want to apply this test to the papacy, we must find the official name of the pope, who is the head of his church. If this is the number of a man, it would naturally be the man who is the head of the organization
Dear God, make it stop.
 

Faint

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FFH said:
20 years from now the whole earth will have already been obliterated, and there will be a new heavens and a new earth. The "Mark of the Beast" is a sign that shows us where we are in the scheme of things. That being right at the beginning of the final 7 year tribulation.
Care to wager? If I was a casino, Vegas would say I have a 99.9999999999999999999% house advantage.
And why didn't the world end on the new millennium? Or the previous millennium? Seems to me you've been brainwashed by a couple wordsearch puzzles. I didn't know that was possible.
 
The Mark - A Master Counterfeit

We are now prepared to consider the climax of counterfeits as far as the beast power is concerned. We have already learned that this power was to counterfeit many of the great truths of God. It was a combination of pagan ideas with Christian doctrine which formed a conglomeration of confusion, well designated as "Babylon" in the Scripture.
A few of the counterfeits might be listed as follows: instead of the word of God, tradition; instead of the Holy Spirit, the pope; instead of baptism, sprinkling; instead of communion, transubstantiation; instead of the eternal law of God, the changed law; instead of tithe, taxes and indulgences; instead of death, purgatory; instead of the seal of God, the mark of the beast.
Here we are especially concerned about the mark of the beast. In Revelation 14:9, 10, we read, "If any man worship the beast ... and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation." This is a matter of life or death. We must know exactly what this mark is and how we can avoid it.
We first of all notice in the Bible that the mark is always opposed to the seal of God. In Revelation 7:2, 3, we learn that the seal of God is placed in the forehead, just as the mark of the beast is set in the forehead. The two things seem to be in direct contradistinction to each other. Both are received in the forehead. Now we ask, "What is the seal?" If we can establish this point, it will help us to identify the mark.

The Seal of God

A seal is something which has to do with legal affairs. Official documents are always stamped with the seal of the governing body. Every government has a seal which is placed upon its legal documents. Its purpose is to show that there is authority behind the document. This is especially true of the laws of the country. Every new law has a seal to show that there is power and authority to back up the law.
Notice that each seal has three things in it. It must contain the name of the authority, the office or title of the authority, and the territory over which he has power. The seal of America's president contains the following words: Bill Clinton, President, United States of America. When that seal is placed upon a law or an official document, it shows that the president's authority is supporting that declaration.
Does God's seal have to do with His law also? If so, how and where is it impressed? Let's read Isaiah 8:16, "Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples." This proves that the seal is connected with the law. In fact, His law is sealed among the disciples of God. But where is the law actually placed upon those who are faithtul? The answer is found in Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them." This, then, is how the Lord's seal is placed on the disciples. It is written on their minds or, symbolically, on their foreheads. Proverbs 7:2, 3 makes it even plainer: "Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart." The law, you see, is observed both by the hand and in the mind; thus, it is spoken of as being applied to the hand and forehead.
 
Catholic Agreement

Since the prophecy of Daniel predicted that the papacy would "think to change times and laws," let us ask her if she had anything to do with this change of the Sabbath. We want to be fair to everyone, and get authentic testimony from all. The next several quotations are taken from well-known Catholic authorities who express clearly the claims of the papacy about the attempted change. From the Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume IV, p. 153: "The Church ... after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the third commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's day."
Salvation History and the Commandments, p. 294, 1963 edition, by Rev. Leo. J. Trese and John J. Castlelot, S.S. describes it in these words: "Nothing is said in the Bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday. We know of the change only from the tradition of the Church - a fact handed down to us from earliest times by the living voice of the Church. That is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholics, who say that they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the Bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic Church."
Another well-known Catholic writer gave this explanation of the change: "The Catholic Church transferred the observance from the seventh to the first day of the week. ... The Catholic Church deemed it more fitting to appoint this day, rather than Saturday, the festival day of Christians." This Is Catholicism, 1959 edition, John Walsh, S. J., p. 325.
A 1958 catechism by Killgallen and Weber entitled Life in Christ - Instructions in the Catholic Faith explained it thus: "Why did the Church change the Lord's day from the Sabbath to Sunday? The Church, using the power of binding and loosing which Christ gave to the Pope, changed the Lord's day to Sunday." Page 243.
Rev. Stephen Keenan's A Doctrinal Catechism has this to say: "Question - Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept? Answer - Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no scriptural authority." Please note the word "substituted," a term we have used over and over to describe the activities of this power.
Cardinal Gibbons, in his book The Question Box, p. 179, makes this startling admission: "If the Bible is the only guide for the Christian, then the Seventh-day Adventist is right in observing the Saturday with the Jew. ... Is it not strange that those who make the Bible their only teacher, should inconsistently follow in this matter the tradition of the Catholic Church?"
Rev. John A. O'Brien in the book Understanding the Catholic Faith, p. 13, 1955 edition, states: "The Bible does not contain all the teachings of the Catholic religion, nor does it formulate all the duties of its members. Take, for instance, the matter of Sunday observance, attendance at divine service, and abstention from unnecessary servile work on that day. This is a matter upon which our Protestant neighbors have for many years laid great emphasis; yet nowhere in the Bible is the Sunday designated as the Lord's day; the day mentioned is the Sabbath, the last day of the week. The early Church, conscious of her authority to teach in the name of Christ, deliberately changed the day to Sunday."
One of the greatest challenges ever cast into the face of Protestantism is contained in a statement by Father Enright, President of Redemptorist College in America: "It was the Holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday, the first day of the week. And it not only compelled all to keep Sunday, but urged all persons to labor on the seventh day under pain of anathema. Protestants ... profess great reverence for the Bible, and yet by their solemn act of keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the power of the Catholic Church. The Bible says, Ԓemember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' But the Catholic Church says, ԎO: Keep the first day of the week' and lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church."
You must answer that challenge! Whom are you going to obey? Listen to these words by C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath: "Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters." Thus the issues become plain - God says that He is the true God: He has given the Sabbath as a seal of His authority as the Creator of all. By keeping the Sabbath we recognize His authority as the true God. But the Catholic Church appears and says in effect, "No, don't keep the Sabbath; keep the first day of the week. We changed it, and that change is a mark of our power to overrule God's law and authority."
The mark of the beast, then, is the counterfeit Sunday by which the beast power is trying to be recognized as an authority greater than the Creator Himself. The sign, or seal, of God's authority (Sabbath) is displaced by the papal institution of a substitute mark (Sunday) which she claims as her authority. Oh, that the world would see clearly the tremendous issue before us today! To whom will we yield our obedience - to God or to the beast? When we understand the issues we must make a tremendous decision either to keep the true Sabbath and recognize God's authority, or to take the false Sabbath and recognize the Catholic Church's claims. We must finally receive the seal of God or the mark of the beast. There are only two sides - God and the dragon, truth and error, Bible and tradition.
A book published in 1956 entitled The Faith of Millions and currently available from the Catholic Book Store as a textbook on the Catholic religion has this interesting statement on page 473: "But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running away from home, but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair." Long ago Cardinal Gibbons summarized the issue facing every individual on the Sabbath question: "Reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible." Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.
 

Faint

Well-Known Member
FFH said:
It all fits together.
Right. Like LEGOs. They fit very well, the problem is you can make them fit however you want. But there's no real pattern--just the structures that someone wants to build with them.

A challenge: see if you can make that wordsearch spell "Porn is good for the soul" or "Shakira knows how to move her booty". I bet it's possible.
 

Revasser

Terrible Dancer
Ðanisty said:
I'm sorry, but Hinduism is not Satanic. Ask any Satanist...

Or any Hindu, for that matter.

But why ask Satanists or Hindus? They're just the ones actually practicing those religions that are being mashed together in that article, after all. What do they know?

I have to admit, though, that article did make me chuckle a few times.
 

Ody

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Technology is not a sign of the anti-christ!Atleast that is my opinion, i only wish that I had a better understanding of hebrew so i could better help you understand the documents FFH, and to be true, they are quite eerie and interesting.
 
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