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Christianity, Fundamentalism and Human Rights

Christianity's record of human rights violations over the last two thousand years is second to none and a mere glance at this record shows that one is spoiled for choice in the matter. Here I want to focus on just two pernicious effects of this religion: namely, its oppression and calumny (slander) of women.

Kahl (1971, p.77) writes: 'Many of the church Fathers are characterised by an attitude of deep hostility to women which is quite obscene.' Thus, Tertullian calls woman 'the gate through which the devil enters' (ibid., p.77); and Jerome the Vulgate declares: 'Woman is the gate of the devil, the way of evil, the sting of the scorpion, in a word, a dangerous thing' (ibid., p.77).

Throughout the centuries many Christians have sought to rationalize their fear and resentment of women by finding support for these feelings in biblical texts. They have not had to look very far. For example, here is how Jesus speaks to his own mother: 'Woman, what have I to do with thee?' (John 2: 4); while Paul writes to the Corinthians: 'Only man, not woman, is the image and glory of God - woman is only the glory of man' (1 Corinthians 11:7); and then to Timothy: 'Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.' (1 Timothy 2: 11-14). And here is the most catastrophic biblical text for females to date - 'You shall not allow a witch to live' (Exodus 22:18). Legions of innocent females - old women, young women, and little girls - were degraded, mutilated, tortured, and burned alive on the basis of this last injunction (Sagan, 1997 p.120).

Biblical texts of this sort were obviously produced by cultural milieus utterly removed in time and outlook from our own: so removed, in fact, that we experience the texts as embarrassing. But this is not the view of the Christian fundamentalist woman-hating oppressor who is very much alive today. For this individual, such texts are as binding now as they were long, long ago: more than this, they are manna from heaven - food and drink, that is, in secular parlance.

Calumny is one weapon that has been deployed by the Christian religion to oppress women. But this religion has also resorted to using nice definitions of women for the same end. For example, the velvet-tongued spokesmen of the Church depicted women as the 'angel of the house', as beings of 'purity', 'fine' and 'superior' in virtue to men. Such definitions are only ostensibly flattering and ennobling for they operate subtly to actually constrain and undermine women. Thus, women were too fine and delicate for the 'jungle' of the workplace and too pure and virtuous to seek after money and the independence that it brings. To proclaim the superior virtue of the oppressed, then, is often a mask for controlling them and keeping them subjugated. As Mumm (2002, p.121) observes: 'Lip service to "superiority" can be oppressive, because it can box individuals or groups into romanticised roles that limit their human choices. While declaring a group "inferior" is obviously oppressive, casting others as "superior"...can, especially if the categorised group acquiesces in this stereotyping, be as disabling and limiting as assumptions of inferiority.'

Christian fundamentalists, like their Islamic counterparts, view religious texts as literally and eternally true - as being objective, final, complete. In doing so, fundamentalists deliberately ignore two important facts about these texts: 1. that the cultural milieu and needs of the texts' authors influenced their writing of them; 2. that the cultural milieu and needs of the texts' readers influence their interpretation of them. Therefore, to hold that religious texts are the objective truth is to pretend to oneself and others that one is unbiased about them; that not only are they the unmediated stuff of God but that one's interpretation of this stuff is also unmediated. Concerning the latter point, Mumm (2001, p.140) writes: 'We cannot read neutrally; we read as individuals with unique understandings and interpret uniquely: thus there is no single 'true' reading of a religious text.'

Thus, the meaning of a religious text is never fixed, final and complete but is always in flux and subject to change because its interpretation depends on what the individual brings to it in terms of his own character, motivation, experience, needs, hopes and fears. In other words, what the individual reads out of a religious text is himself at a given moment in time and not God or anything else which is eternally and supernaturally true. As Jeanrond (1994, p.1) writes: 'Text understanding always demands our active participation in recreating the text in question. It demands that we lend of our reality to the text so that it can become real for us.'

Now, the religious fundamentalist's reality - both internal and external - is felt by him to be so hideous and painful that it must be fled at any cost. For the fundamentalist, escape from fear and doubt and turmoil - from the hell that is within and without - can only be found in something potent, infallible and enduring: the 'Word of God'. From this haven, the fundamentalist can despise every table of law that is not the Assured one, and reserve a special contempt for those which are unashamedly human in origin. This is what gives the true believer the 'right' to ignore the requirements of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and to commit every enormity imaginable - from the murder of abortion workers to the September 11 World Trade Center massacre.

One of the problems confronting the UDHR relates to its ethical basis. Religious critics can argue that the UDHR rests on nothing more than human conventions, on what mere mortals have agreed amongst themselves are the proper rules of conduct for living, and that what they have agreed upon is simply a matter of taste. This is what makes the UDHR vulnerable against the appeal of religious fundamentalism. In contrast with the former, fundamentalism proclaims that religious rules of conduct are not human but divine in origin. In the eyes of this creed, whatever is human is equated with what is inferior, objectionable and unworthy. Sadly, there is no shortage of true believers who are ready to accede to this view for direct confirmation of it can be had at any time just by looking inside themselves.

PS

As well as Christianity's record of human rights violations over the last twenty centuries being second to none, its attitude toward every other animal species is also a cause for grave concern. The German philosopher Schopenhauer (1970, pp.187-8) writes: 'A Protestant pastor, requested by an animal protection society to preach a sermon against cruelty to animals, replied that with the best will in the world he was unable to do so because he could find no support in his religion. The man was honest, and he was right.'

Regards

James

References:

Jeanrond, W. G. (1994) Theological Hermeneutics, London: SCM

Kahl, J. (1971) The Misery of Christianity, Harmondsworth: Penguin

Mumm, S (2001) 'What it meant and what it means: feminism, religion and interpretation' in Religion and Social Transformation (ed. by D. Herbert), Aldershot: Ashgate Publishers

Mumm, S. (2002) 'Aspirational Indians: North American indigenous religions and the New Age' in Belief Beyond Boundaries: Wicca, Celtic Spirituality and the New Age (ed. by J. Pearson), Aldershot: Ashgate Publishers

Sagan, C. (1997) The Demon-Haunted World: Science As A Candle In The Dark, New York: Ballantine Books

Schopenhauer, A. (1970) Essays and Aphorisms, Harmondswoth; Penguin Classics
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
So are you blaming Jesus, or mankind's propensity to turn good into something evil? I disagree with the first and would point out that with the second, it's not constrained to only Christianity. For every good, there is an equal evil. Nuclear energy can provide ALL of the energy we could ever need or it can be used to destroy us. It's our choice.
 

Endless

Active Member
Interesting post but highly biased against Christianity in general. You will find that if a fundementalist adheres to the Bible as you believe they do then they could not possibly feel this way towards women.

Throughout the centuries many Christians have sought to rationalize their fear and resentment of women by finding support for these feelings in biblical texts.
What kind of a statement is this? You must mean Christian men. Are these the same Christian fundementalists who hold true this statement in the Bible?

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,

Col 3:19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them.

1Pe 3:1 ¶ Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives,
2 when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear.
3 Do not let your adornment be merely outward--arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel--
4 rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God.
5 For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in God also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands,
6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, whose daughters you are if you do good and are not afraid with any terror.
7 Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered.
So from what reason in the Bible does fear and resentment of women stem from? Since the Bible teaches the opposite - since Jesus clearly demonstrated his compassion for the many stories of the women he talked with and helped in the gospel. So did Christian men distance themselves from women as a result - surely with their fear and resentment of women they couldn't fall in love with them, live with them, have a family with them?
Also the term witch - applies to a man as well. We seem to have taken it to apply to women, however men can be witches as well.

There is nothing in the Bible that can justify fear and resentment of woman or of being brutal towards them. The opposite is taught and demonstrated in it - therefore how can anyone who practises anything like this be classified as a fundementalist since they must ignore all that scripture teaches?
No, when you look at it, it really doesn't wash at all.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It's highly arguable that women have been repressed in the vast majority of human cultures and societies. So, why single out Christianity? Surely Christianity is not the root cause of women's repression, since women have been repressed in non-Christian societies and cultures.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
What saddens me is that when we have, as a species, been evolving philosophically and morally (well, that may be debatable, admittedly), people who want to use past behavior against Religions to devalue the Religions themselves use acts committed a thousand or so years ago.
 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
I don't know about that Uncle Sunstone.

I think its largely the fault of the Abrahamic religions because they introduced the concept of a male only God, and so patriarchical society. Sure men were more often in positions of power in pagan countries like ancient Egypt, but there were still powerful women - Nefertiti and Cleopatra spring to mind.

In the pre-Abrahamic religions, gods were more often than not 'born' in male/female pairs, usually from an androgynous source deity.
This was reflected in society with women and men having equal rights. The Abrahamic religions, of which Christianity is the largest, introduced and spread the subjugation of women.
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
Now, the religious fundamentalist's reality - both internal and external - is felt by him to be so hideous and painful that it must be fled at any cost. For the fundamentalist, escape from fear and doubt and turmoil - from the hell that is within and without - can only be found in something potent, infallible and enduring: the 'Word of God'. From this haven, the fundamentalist can despise every table of law that is not the Assured one, and reserve a special contempt for those which are unashamedly human in origin. This is what gives the true believer the 'right' to ignore the requirements of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and to commit every enormity imaginable - from the murder of abortion workers to the September 11 World Trade Center massacre.

Oh brother, here we go again. You really expect us to believe this nonsense? You insult our intelligence with this sensationalistic kind of garbage. I'm thinking you probably won't get the responses you would like because these words are just too unbelieveable. My reply will be this one only.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Halcyon said:
I don't know about that Uncle Sunstone.

I think its largely the fault of the Abrahamic religions because they introduced the concept of a male only God, and so patriarchical society. Sure men were more often in positions of power in pagan countries like ancient Egypt, but there were still powerful women - Nefertiti and Cleopatra spring to mind.

In the pre-Abrahamic religions, gods were more often than not 'born' in male/female pairs, usually from an androgynous source deity.
This was reflected in society with women and men having equal rights. The Abrahamic religions, of which Christianity is the largest, introduced and spread the subjugation of women.

I agree with you that, according to the best information available to me, the status of women generally decreased with the introduction of Christianity to Europe. But what about the subjugation of women in Far Eastern societies like China, Korea, and Japan? Can that be blamed on Abrahamic religions?
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
While we are at it, let's blame Christianity for the Black Plague as well. The reasoning is just as sound.
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
Has anyone noticed that Glaswegian likes to start inflammatory debates but then doesn't participate? A pot stirrer I say. I tend to not respect those sorts much.
 

standing_alone

Well-Known Member
My reply will be this one only.

Has anyone noticed that Glaswegian likes to start inflammatory debates but then doesn't participate? A pot stirrer I say. I tend to not respect those sorts much.

Hmmm. I don't even know what to say... except, is Buttercup a liar?! :D

Please don't hate me, Buttercup!
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Buttercup said:
Has anyone noticed that Glaswegian likes to start inflammatory debates but then doesn't participate? A pot stirrer I say. I tend to not respect those sorts much.
Ah, when I read that, I read it as "a Glaswegian"..........I thought, hey?:biglaugh:
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
A change of one's decision does NOT make them a liar, and hopefully this was said in jest. If not, an apology is in order.

His perception of Glaswegian however is quite accurate. S/He is an obvious troll now in my book. Thanks for pointing that out for us Buttercup.
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
NetDoc said:
A change of one's decision does NOT make them a liar, and hopefully this was said in jest. If not, an apology is in order.

His perception of Glaswegian however is quite accurate. S/He is an obvious troll now in my book. Thanks for pointing that out for us Buttercup.

Awww, NetDoc thanks for defending me...warms a chimp's heart. :) But, I knew Standing_Alone was kidding. She's kind of a brat that way. And she's always trying to kill me off with medieval torture methods as well BTW. And for the record, I'm a girl. :D

I guess this makes me a double liar now eh?
 

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
michel said:
What saddens me is that when we have, as a species, been evolving philosophically and morally (well, that may be debatable, admittedly), people who want to use past behavior against Religions to devalue the Religions themselves use acts committed a thousand or so years ago.

Sad indeed. I love it how people seem to overlook all of the positive and focus only on the negetive. And then using those negetive aspects to sterotype and label the entire religious community. I call this the "Pointy White Hat" mentality.

Oh brother, here we go again. You really expect us to believe this nonsense? You insult our intelligence with this sensationalistic kind of garbage. I'm thinking you probably won't get the responses you would like because these words are just too unbelieveable

I'm in total agreement with this Buttercup.
 

DakotaGypsy

Active Member
Hmmm, how did Christians cause the Black Plague?

Well, they were pretty prejudiced against bathing, cleanliness, sensible sewage disposal, that sort of thing. They didn't respect science, hmmm, kind of sounds like the present situation in the US.

Golly gosh gee, here the Romans had sewers and a fairly modern way of flushing away sewage, I think, and most of Christian Europe was dumping chamber pots out of windows and, boy, did those people stink, and when you had to walk through the streets, ick!
 

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
DakotaGypsy said:
Hmmm, how did Christians cause the Black Plague?
Well, they were pretty prejudiced against bathing, cleanliness, sensible sewage disposal, that sort of thing. They didn't respect science, hmmm, kind of sounds like the present situation in the US.
Hmmm....sounds like an ignorant, unintellegent generalization.
 
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