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Why can't we see god?

murdocsvan

Member
If god wanted us to worship him, then why hasn't he made himself clear. Surely if he created a world and humans to see how we would cope (what other reason would he have?) then he wouldn't want half of us spending our time worshipping him. And even then i wonder why god would intervene to change the course of the world via humans. Wouldn't this just cause unrest instead of solving anything?

put simply, why does god want to worship himself when he hides himself from us?
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
"And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

John 1:5, KJV.


KONX OM PAX​
 

murdocsvan

Member
Well, if the darkness cannot comprehend the light then, that still leads me to my point of god not making himself clear enough to us (if by darkness you are refering to humans, and by light you are refering to god). god made us this way, so your saying he has made us into something which cannot understand him?
 

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
I don't think God is in a form we can see. To me, he's more of an essence. Like the wind, you can feel it, but cannot see it. I can see God through his works. The trees, the sunsets, the hills and oceans. And feel his love. Hard to explain, but the love I have for my wife, I can feel God's love in and through that.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
murdocsvan said:
If god wanted us to worship him, then why hasn't he made himself clear. Surely if he created a world and humans to see how we would cope (what other reason would he have?) then he wouldn't want half of us spending our time worshipping him. And even then i wonder why god would intervene to change the course of the world via humans. Wouldn't this just cause unrest instead of solving anything?

put simply, why does god want to worship himself when he hides himself from us?

God wants us th have Faith in him; if he suddenly turned up on your doorstep, and proved he was God,(just out of interest), would you start worshiping him?
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
michel said:
God wants us th have Faith in him; if he suddenly turned up on your doorstep, and proved he was God,(just out of interest), would you start worshiping him?

To believe in God is to have faith, as Michel has stated.

We walk by FAITH...not by sight.

And in ways that you probably don't understand...God DOES reveal Himself to the believer in MANY ways...it would take FAITH to see that, though.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
murdocsvan said:
If god wanted us to worship him, then why hasn't he made himself clear. Surely if he created a world and humans to see how we would cope (what other reason would he have?) then he wouldn't want half of us spending our time worshipping him. And even then i wonder why god would intervene to change the course of the world via humans. Wouldn't this just cause unrest instead of solving anything?

put simply, why does god want to worship himself when he hides himself from us?

God didn't create the world and humans "to see how we would cope." God created us in order to be in relationship with us. and if God created us in order to be in relationship with us, why wouldn't God take delight in our worshipful conversation? God doesn't "hide" God's self from us. It is we who are unable to see clearly. God persists in revealing God's self to us in ways we are able to comprehend. The whole story of the Bible is God searching out humanity in order to know us.

God made us and desires our worship because God desires our company.
 
murdocsvan said:
If god wanted us to worship him, then why hasn't he made himself clear. Surely if he created a world and humans to see how we would cope (what other reason would he have?) then he wouldn't want half of us spending our time worshipping him. And even then i wonder why god would intervene to change the course of the world via humans. Wouldn't this just cause unrest instead of solving anything?

put simply, why does god want to worship himself when he hides himself from us?

If you're looking for an old man with a beard looking down from the clouds beaming with light, you'll never see him.

God reveals himself through the infinity of the cosmos, the sipping of a fawn in a babbling brook, the rustle of leaves in a summer breeze, the distant crackle of a billowing thunderstorm, and the cycles of life and death.

"There are signs in this for people who reflect."
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Michel writes: God wants us th have Faith in him; if he suddenly turned up on your doorstep, and proved he was God,(just out of interest), would you start worshiping him?

Dawney0826 writes: To believe in God is to have faith, as Michel has stated.

We walk by FAITH...not by sight.
GOD can do nothing with faith and does not operate within it. He doesn’t express it and He does not accept it. Just as belief is not truth, faith is not belief, faith is not the way to truth, belief can be. GOD is a BEing of truth, GOD has truth in you, not faith.
 

may

Well-Known Member
God is invisible to human eyes
And he added: "You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live Exodus 33;20
No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him John 1;18
Now to the King of eternity, incorruptible, invisible, [the] only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen. 1 timothy 1;17
God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth John 4;24.................so the reason we cannot see God is because he is a spirit
[Pneu´ma]
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
YmirGF said:
I cannot in all fairness agree with my learned religious friends. They are under the misguided assumption that one cannot perceive the reality of god. Perhaps they are just not looking very hard or perhaps they are looking in all the wrong places. To my warped view of reality, the entire point of creation itself, is to learn to see god and to manifest that reality into three dimensional reality.

The other aspect of god that puzzles me is the need that people seem to display to worship their creator? I am not altogether sure where people got the idea that that was an especially wise thing to do. How many here LITERALLY worship their mother or father? Sure the odd compliment and happy thought in their direction is great, but to get on ones knees and pray in earnest is stretching credulity.

Of course God has revealed Gods' self to us...otherwise we wouldn't know God existed. But: We cannot fully see God because of our mortal limitations.

Do you know what constitutes worship? Prayer is not the same thing as worship...prayer is part of worship, though. I wonder, if you had an understanding of worship, if you would be less disparaging.
 

murdocsvan

Member
Buttercup said:
Ditto what Michel and Dawny say.

He wants us to Choose Him.....if we saw Him it wouldn't be free will.

Well, its not free will that you can see the sky at night, is it? You could say god wasnt giving us free will by making us know what is reality and what isnt.
 

murdocsvan

Member
michel said:
God wants us th have Faith in him; if he suddenly turned up on your doorstep, and proved he was God,(just out of interest), would you start worshiping him?

No, i still wouldn't worship him, but i would believe in him. This still leads me to my point; why should we worship him even if we know he's there? What benefit is it to us or him?
 

Opethian

Active Member
I don't believe in free will, so the point about giving us free will to choose to believe in him doesn't work from my point of view.
 

murdocsvan

Member
Opethian said:
I don't believe in free will, so the point about giving us free will to choose to believe in him doesn't work from my point of view.

You don't believe in free will? What controls what we think then? Doesn't sound aethiestic to me.
 
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