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Love thy neighbor as much as thyself

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I am one of those who see goodness in people. That's why I believe that people can save themselves without God. Through free will. Because man is born good, not evil
You title yourself as Catholic..... but the above reads as if you believe somethinh quite different. True?

It's Saint Paul the one who thinks that all men are sinners and can be saved only by God's mercy.
I expect that most Catholics do rather cling to St Paul's faith. Are you a Catholic?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This golden rule, symbol of Christianity has always been abused across the centuries.
So what do you think about this golden rule? Do you think you put it into practice?
It would be a nice rule for my neighbors to practice.
But I value myself over them.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
This golden rule, symbol of Christianity has always been abused across the centuries.


So what do you think about this golden rule? Do you think you put it into practice?
I do try to keep as much love and compassion for everything, since everything was supposedly good from the beginning. Certainly not always easy, their is a lot of wickedness out there.
I expect that most Catholics do rather cling to St Paul's faith. Are you a Catholic?

St Paul didn't practive that rule which is the spirit of law, meaning he didn't get it.

1 Corinthians 5
11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”[d]

While jesus had something different to say. When people need help give it to them.

Mark 2
15 While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
So you are admitting that the others' need don't have the same priority as yours

Let's test this.

Suppose you are with your child and a stranger on a plane. The plane is crashing and there is only one parachute.

Are you going to throw coins to decide who survives?

Ciao

- viole
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Let's test this.

Suppose you are with your child and a stranger on a plane. The plane is crashing and there is only one parachute.

Are you going to throw coins to decide who survives?

Well, I am not afraid of death. I would ask the stranger to save my child. If he wants to save himself, I wouldn't blame him.
I would die serenely hugging my child. Death doesn't scare me.
People should be afraid of Hell, not of death
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
So many people have problems with self love, or even a true love of their "partner", that universal love is reaching for the stars.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Well, I am not afraid of death. I would ask the stranger to save my child. If he wants to save himself, I wouldn't blame him.
I would die serenely hugging my child. Death doesn't scare me.
People should be afraid of Hell, not of death

This is very noble (although I doubt the child would agree). But is it moral? I doubt it.

The logical consequence of this noble behavior is the natural selection of selfish individuals. The ones who don't care about hell. For, if everybody believed in hell, you would not need the golden rule to start with. And this golden rule should be useful here, not in heaven or hell.

So, we end up with a world where all the noble ones are extinct.

I don't think that this will lead to a better, earthly world. You need more. i am afraid.

Ciao

- viole
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
So, we end up with a world where all the noble ones are extinct.

I don't think that this will lead to a better, earthly world. You need more. i am afraid.

Is body eternal ? No it is not. So death is unavoidable, we all shall die, sooner or later.
The difference is that the good will go to Heaven, whereas the wicked will go to Hell.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Is body eternal ? No it is not. So death is unavoidable, we all shall die, sooner or later.
The difference is that the good will go to Heaven, whereas the wicked will go to Hell.

How much doing good gets a person to heaven?
Matthew 10:42
And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not lose their reward.

How much doing bad gets a person to hell?
Matthew 18:6
If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
 

roger1440

I do stuff
Is body eternal ? No it is not. So death is unavoidable, we all shall die, sooner or later.
The difference is that the good will go to Heaven, whereas the wicked will go to Hell.
Are you implying our actions should be determined by the hope of attaining heaven after we die?
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
This golden rule, symbol of Christianity has always been abused across the centuries.


So what do you think about this golden rule? Do you think you put it into practice?
That's part of the Torah.

I believe it's a symbol of judaism.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Is body eternal ? No it is not. So death is unavoidable, we all shall die, sooner or later.
The difference is that the good will go to Heaven, whereas the wicked will go to Hell.

Who cares about the golden rule then?

Ciao

- viole
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
This golden rule, symbol of Christianity has always been abused across the centuries.


So what do you think about this golden rule? Do you think you put it into practice?

Other faiths and cultures have a variation of this rule. It could be a good thing: To treat others the way you want to be treated. It can also be abused, as well (imagine a masochist treating someone they he/she wants to be treated, for example).

I try to put into practice, for the most part, I don't alway succeed as some days I am not in the best mood or something or someone rubs me the wrong (which really doesn't happen very often). :)
 

Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
This golden rule, symbol of Christianity has always been abused across the centuries.


So what do you think about this golden rule? Do you think you put it into practice?

I think it also applies to homosexuals. Maybe you should remember that.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
This is why I find "do unto others" to be limited. Love, being from the heart, is a surer guide.
 
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