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Homophobia Makes Me Sick!
- Thread starter kevmicsmi
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Smoke
Done here.
You believe my relationship with my partner is a sin, but you have no contempt for me? That rings a little hollow.kevmicsmi said:
You can't let go of your irrational negative feelings about homosexuality, and you want to be free to hold on to your prejudice, and express your prejudice, and feel good and right about your prejudice, but it makes you indignant that anyone should say you're prejudiced. That's amazing.
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
Hear what I say...
The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin and from a biblical perspective, people shouldn't engage in homosexual acts. I AM bisexual and ALWAYs have been. In Christ, I am no longer in bondage to my sexuality. I have friends who are homosexual and I'm still friends with them. I don't live a bisexual lifestyle due to my personal religious convictions and my love and respect for my homosexual friends is no less genuine because of this.
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
frg001 said:
I'm very happy.
I just don't think it's fair to say that I'm a homophobe when I can say in all honesty and with a sincere heart that I'm not.
I'm not denying myself anything. I'm married to a wonderful man that I love very much and I have two beautiful children. This is where I want to be.
No bigots thousands of years ago have dictated my desicions in regard to my faith.
That was a LONG and arduous journey that I made on my own. And my mindset changed when I accepted Christ. When I first married my husband...I told him outright that if our marriage failed...I wouldn't date another man again (unless of course, George Eads came into the picture. (Sigh)) I meant it at the time. Very much.
Everything changed when Christ came into my life. And I embraced this change.
I personally am not defined by my sexuality. It's one part of the whole complex package.
Smoke
Done here.
No, it doesn't. Homosexuality is more than a series of sexual actions, and the Bible doesn't even begin to address the issue.dawny0826 said:
That's certainly one interpretation of the Bible. However, I know a lesbian Christian minister who believes that the Bible is the inspired word of God, and I've heard her make mincemeat of people who say that. 90% of biblical condemnations of homosexual acts are a matter of people reading into the text what they want to find. (I won't say 100%.) But why should anyone have a biblical perspective anyway, except that it pleases them to have it?dawny0826 said:
Did it seem like bondage before you were a Christian? Did you hate being bisexual?dawny0826 said:
I think personal is the key word here. Seeing this rule as something personal, and something that works for you is one thing. Seeing it as a universal truth is another.dawny0826 said:
I look at it this way: Can you be genuinely happy for your gay and lesbian friends when they fall in love? When they get married? When they buy a house together?
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
And this will only wind up becoming a debate about biblical interpretation.
I don't know...I think that anyone who reads the Bible has some sort of perspective on what they're reading.
When I was younger...yes. Because I knew that I was different. And I struggled while I was trying to figure out who I was and what I was about. I'm not ashamed now. And my past is just that...the past.
I'm only speaking from a personal perspective right now.
Of course.
jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
Let's for the sake of argument, say that it is a sin, according to Paul, not Jesus, to be a redhead. Now you are born a redhead, but dye your hair to conform. You hear nothing but bashing of redheads. But this is how you were born. Finally you decide that wait, this is how God created you, so you stop dying your hair. You get mocked, put down, and discriminated against just because your hair color is different then what a few people a few thousand years ago said it should be. Would this be right? GOD CREATED ALL MEN/WOMEN! To me, to try and be something different then what God created you to be is the real sin.
jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
Why is it ok for people to divorce, have preachers make excuses for that, but in the same church remarry people that the OT and Christ stated that THAT was i sin??? Here is an exert of just that. A preacher trying to make it ok..
http://www.gotquestions.org/divorce-remarriage.html
Question: What does the Bible say about divorce and remarriage?
Answer: First of all, no matter what view one takes in the issue of divorce it is important to remember the words of the Bible from Malachi 2:16a: I hate divorce, says the Lord God of Israel. According to the Bible, Gods plan is that marriage be a lifetime commitment. So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate (Matthew 19:6). God realizes, though, that since a marriage involves two sinful human beings, divorce is going to occur. In the Old Testament, He laid down some laws in order to protect the rights of divorcees, especially women (Deuteronomy 24:1-4). Jesus pointed out that these laws were given because of the hardness of peoples hearts, not because they were Gods desire (Matthew 19:8).
The controversy over whether divorce and remarriage is allowed according to the Bible revolves primarily around Jesus words in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9. The phrase except for marital unfaithfulness is the only thing in Scripture that possibly gives Gods permission for divorce and remarriage. Many interpreters understand this "exception clause" as referring to "marital unfaithfulness" during the "betrothal" period. In Jewish custom, a man and a woman were considered married even while they were still engaged betrothed. Immorality during this "betrothal" period would then be the only valid reason for a divorce.
However, the Greek word translated marital unfaithfulness is a word which can mean any form of sexual immorality. It is can mean fornication, prostitution, adultery, etc. Jesus is possibly saying that divorce is permissible if sexual immorality is committed. Sexual relations is such an integral part of the marital bond the two will become one flesh (Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5; Ephesians 5:31). Therefore, a breaking of that bond by sexual relations outside of marriage might be a permissible reason for divorce. If so, Jesus also has remarriage in mind in this passage. The phrase and marries another (Matthew 19:9) indicates that divorce and remarriage are allowed in an instance of the exception clause, whatever it is interpreted to be. It is important to note that only the innocent party is allowed to remarry. Although it is not stated in the text, the allowance for remarriage after a divorce is Gods mercy for the one who was sinned against, not for the one who committed the sexual immorality. There may be instances where the "guilty party" is allowed to remarry - but no such concept is taught in this text.
Some understand 1 Corinthians 7:15 as another exception, allowing remarriage if an unbelieving spouse divorces a believer. However, the context does not mention remarriage, but only says a believer is not bound to continue a marriage if an unbelieving spouse wants to leave. Others claim that abuse (spousal or child) are valid reasons for divorce even though they are not listed as such in the Bible. While this may very well be the case, it is never wise to presume upon the Word of God.
Sometimes lost in the debate over the exception clause is the fact that whatever marital unfaithfulness means, it is an allowance for divorce, not a requirement for divorce. Even when adultery is committed a couple can, through Gods grace, learn to forgive and begin rebuilding their marriage. God has forgiven us of so much more. Surely we can follow His example and even forgive the sin of adultery (Ephesians 4:32). However, in many instances, a spouse is unrepentant and continues in sexual immorality. That is where Matthew 19:9 can possibly be applied. Many also look too quickly to remarriage after a divorce when God might desire them to remain single. God sometimes calls a person to be single so that their attention is not divided (1 Corinthians 7:32-35). Remarriage after a divorce may be an option in some circumstances, but that does not mean it is the only option.
It is distressing that the divorce rate among professing Christians is nearly as high as that of the unbelieving world. The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and that reconciliation and forgiveness should be the marks of a believers life (Luke 11:4; Ephesians 4:32). However, God recognizes that divorces will occur, even among His children. A divorced and/or remarried believer should not feel any less loved by God, even if their divorce and/or remarriage is not covered under the possible exception clause of Matthew 19:9. God often uses even the sinful disobedience of Christians to accomplish great good.
Recommended Resource: Divorce and Remarriage: 4 Views edited By H. Wayne House.
Now, from the same source..
http://www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-Bible.html
Question: "What does the Bible say about homosexuality? Is homosexuality a sin?"
Answer: The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When a person continues in sin and disbelief, the Bible tells us that God gives them over to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual offenders will not inherit the kingdom of God.
God does not create a person with homosexual desires. (BULLLSSSHHHHIIITTT) The Bible tells us that a person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving into their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for then to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true for homosexuality.
However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a greater sin than any other(Then why do you hear preachers talk much more about that then remarriage or the other sins?). All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, Gods forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17).
http://www.gotquestions.org/divorce-remarriage.html
Question: What does the Bible say about divorce and remarriage?
Answer: First of all, no matter what view one takes in the issue of divorce it is important to remember the words of the Bible from Malachi 2:16a: I hate divorce, says the Lord God of Israel. According to the Bible, Gods plan is that marriage be a lifetime commitment. So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate (Matthew 19:6). God realizes, though, that since a marriage involves two sinful human beings, divorce is going to occur. In the Old Testament, He laid down some laws in order to protect the rights of divorcees, especially women (Deuteronomy 24:1-4). Jesus pointed out that these laws were given because of the hardness of peoples hearts, not because they were Gods desire (Matthew 19:8).
The controversy over whether divorce and remarriage is allowed according to the Bible revolves primarily around Jesus words in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9. The phrase except for marital unfaithfulness is the only thing in Scripture that possibly gives Gods permission for divorce and remarriage. Many interpreters understand this "exception clause" as referring to "marital unfaithfulness" during the "betrothal" period. In Jewish custom, a man and a woman were considered married even while they were still engaged betrothed. Immorality during this "betrothal" period would then be the only valid reason for a divorce.
However, the Greek word translated marital unfaithfulness is a word which can mean any form of sexual immorality. It is can mean fornication, prostitution, adultery, etc. Jesus is possibly saying that divorce is permissible if sexual immorality is committed. Sexual relations is such an integral part of the marital bond the two will become one flesh (Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5; Ephesians 5:31). Therefore, a breaking of that bond by sexual relations outside of marriage might be a permissible reason for divorce. If so, Jesus also has remarriage in mind in this passage. The phrase and marries another (Matthew 19:9) indicates that divorce and remarriage are allowed in an instance of the exception clause, whatever it is interpreted to be. It is important to note that only the innocent party is allowed to remarry. Although it is not stated in the text, the allowance for remarriage after a divorce is Gods mercy for the one who was sinned against, not for the one who committed the sexual immorality. There may be instances where the "guilty party" is allowed to remarry - but no such concept is taught in this text.
Some understand 1 Corinthians 7:15 as another exception, allowing remarriage if an unbelieving spouse divorces a believer. However, the context does not mention remarriage, but only says a believer is not bound to continue a marriage if an unbelieving spouse wants to leave. Others claim that abuse (spousal or child) are valid reasons for divorce even though they are not listed as such in the Bible. While this may very well be the case, it is never wise to presume upon the Word of God.
Sometimes lost in the debate over the exception clause is the fact that whatever marital unfaithfulness means, it is an allowance for divorce, not a requirement for divorce. Even when adultery is committed a couple can, through Gods grace, learn to forgive and begin rebuilding their marriage. God has forgiven us of so much more. Surely we can follow His example and even forgive the sin of adultery (Ephesians 4:32). However, in many instances, a spouse is unrepentant and continues in sexual immorality. That is where Matthew 19:9 can possibly be applied. Many also look too quickly to remarriage after a divorce when God might desire them to remain single. God sometimes calls a person to be single so that their attention is not divided (1 Corinthians 7:32-35). Remarriage after a divorce may be an option in some circumstances, but that does not mean it is the only option.
It is distressing that the divorce rate among professing Christians is nearly as high as that of the unbelieving world. The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and that reconciliation and forgiveness should be the marks of a believers life (Luke 11:4; Ephesians 4:32). However, God recognizes that divorces will occur, even among His children. A divorced and/or remarried believer should not feel any less loved by God, even if their divorce and/or remarriage is not covered under the possible exception clause of Matthew 19:9. God often uses even the sinful disobedience of Christians to accomplish great good.
Recommended Resource: Divorce and Remarriage: 4 Views edited By H. Wayne House.
Now, from the same source..
http://www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-Bible.html
Question: "What does the Bible say about homosexuality? Is homosexuality a sin?"
Answer: The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When a person continues in sin and disbelief, the Bible tells us that God gives them over to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual offenders will not inherit the kingdom of God.
God does not create a person with homosexual desires. (BULLLSSSHHHHIIITTT) The Bible tells us that a person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving into their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for then to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true for homosexuality.
However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a greater sin than any other(Then why do you hear preachers talk much more about that then remarriage or the other sins?). All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, Gods forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17).
Jaymes
The cake is a lie
Try your original post.kevmicsmi said:
As for said original post... I consider homophobia a term to be applied to someone who actually literally fears gays or treats them with loathing or contempt. I'd consider the lovely Falwell to be a homophobe. I'd consider anyone who opposes equal rights for the GLBTQ community to be a homophobe.
I don't consider anyone who doesn't think gays should marry in their church a homophobe, because I sure know I wouldn't want a homophobe marrying in mine.
But to oppose the civil rights of the GLBTQ community because they say so is homophobic.
Ardhanariswar
I'm back!
why must religion have a say in my rights as a citizen in this country?
Which is why I disagreed with the whole 'lets vote for gay marriage rights!' because its a civil rights case. You didn't see everyone voting for black rights, did ya.
Which is why I disagreed with the whole 'lets vote for gay marriage rights!' because its a civil rights case. You didn't see everyone voting for black rights, did ya.