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Sai Baba
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Ravi500
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Salutations to thee, O sweet Baba. :rainbow1:
Thou art Love Supreme, Brahman in human form , all pervading consciousness without any duality, seeing oneness in all beings, and teaching the same to all to come out of the limited sense of separativeness and ego.
Thou art Love Itself in human form, with deep compassion for the suffering creatures of the world steeped in illusion and maya.
Thou art Wisdom Itself in human form, purifying the world of the deep stains and scars of the ego and unconsciousness, through love, patient instruction and example.
Blessed are those who lived with you,blessed are those who knew you, and blessed are those who loved you and served you.
And blessed is the world to have had your lotus feet walking gently on it, spreading love and peace in all four directions, to all beings. :flower:
Jai Shree Sai Nath,:flower:
:namaste
I'm a ginormous Sai fan but I only read English so I'm often cheated out of the joy of the words.
Sb1995
Om Sai Ram
ronki23
Well-Known Member
I would like to clarify the beliefs of Shirdi Sai Baba
I read that Sai Baba is short for Sahib Baba and that he engaged in namaz but would not practice sawm.
I hear he ate meat and was buried as opposed to cremated.
However, I see that he taught the Qu'ran and Hadiths to Muslims and he Geeta to Hindus.
and he named his Mosque Dwarka or Raam
So perhaps he was like a religious teacher during his time and he taught people who at the time were illiterate.
This sounds very similar to Guru Nanak too; I am surprised you do not get Sikhs who believe in Sai Baba as you get Hindus who believe in Sikh Gurus. Lest that be Hindu Punjabis who do so out of shared culture.
As for Satya Sai Baba I am skeptical, especially after seeing the documentary. Plus I hear people were killed and he was protected by the government????
I read that Sai Baba is short for Sahib Baba and that he engaged in namaz but would not practice sawm.
I hear he ate meat and was buried as opposed to cremated.
However, I see that he taught the Qu'ran and Hadiths to Muslims and he Geeta to Hindus.
and he named his Mosque Dwarka or Raam
So perhaps he was like a religious teacher during his time and he taught people who at the time were illiterate.
This sounds very similar to Guru Nanak too; I am surprised you do not get Sikhs who believe in Sai Baba as you get Hindus who believe in Sikh Gurus. Lest that be Hindu Punjabis who do so out of shared culture.
As for Satya Sai Baba I am skeptical, especially after seeing the documentary. Plus I hear people were killed and he was protected by the government????
Sb1995
Om Sai Ram
The Dwarika Sankaracharya says Sai Baba or any other Baba should not be worshiped as a God (Swami Sahajananda, Puttaparthi Sai and Osho being other examples. However worshiping Nithiyanand of Maha Nirvani Akhada or Asaram or his son, Narayan, is OK).
Lol that's too bad I couldn't care less about what he thinks.
PranAm, I've found this on Internet.
Few excerpts from the research done on Sai Satcharitra
साँई माँसाहार का प्रयोग करता था व स्वयं जीवहत्या करता था!
Sai Baba was meat eater and involved in killing innocent animals
१ मैं मस्जिद में एक बकरा हलाल करने वाला हूँ, बाबा ने शामा से कहा हाजी से पुछो उसे क्या रुचिकर होगा – “बकरे का मांस, नाध या अंडकोष ?”
-अध्याय ११
Baba said: I am going to kill goat in mosque, He told Shama to ask Haji what he likes to eat “meat of goat or it’s testicles”.
(1)मस्जिद मेँ एक बकरा बलि देने के लिए लाया गया। वह अत्यन्त दुर्बल और मरने वाला था। बाबा ने उनसे चाकू लाकर बकरा काटने को कहा।
-:अध्याय 23. पृष्ठ 161.
A feeble, weak goat was brought in the mosque for sacrificial killing. Baba asked for knife to kill the goat.
(2)तब बाबा ने काकासाहेब से कहा कि मैँ स्वयं ही बलि चढ़ाने का कार्य करूँगा।
-:अध्याय 23. पृष्ठ 162.
Then Baba told Kakasaheb that he will himself carry out this sacrificial killing of goat.
(3)फकीरोँ के साथ वो आमिष(मांस और मछली का सेवन करते थे।
-:अध्याय 5. व 7.
Baba used to feast on meat, fish with fakirs.
(4)कभी वे मीठे चावल बनाते और कभी मांसमिश्रित चावल अर्थात् नमकीन पुलाव।
-:अध्याय 38. पृष्ठ 269.
Sometimes Baba used to make sweet rice other times meat biryani.
(5)एक एकादशी के दिन उन्होँने दादा कलेकर को कुछ रूपये माँस खरीद लाने को दिये। दादा पूरे कर्मकाण्डी थे और प्रायः सभी नियमोँ का जीवन मेँ पालन किया करते थे।
-:अध्याय 32. पृष्ठः 270.
That Ekadashi Baba gave Dada Kelkar some money to bring meat. Dada Kelkar was devout Brahmin and always followed Vedic rituals, but still Baba made him bring this meat.
Would any sane Hindu follow Sai Baba, who was always practicing islam and staunch muslim, and who insisted on removal of Lord Krishna pious murti from Bihari ji’s temple to replace with his illness ridden dead body.
Hindus must remember these great verses from Sreemad Bhagwad Gita
यातयामं गतरसं पूति पर्युषितं च यत् ।
उच्छिष्टमपि चामेध्यं भोजनं तामसप्रियम् ….गीता १७/१
अर्थात
जो भोजन अधपका, रसरहित, दुर्गन्धयुक्त, बासी और उच्छिष्ट है तथा जो अपवित्र(मांस आदि भी है, वह भोजन तामस(अधम पुरुषों को प्रिय होते हैं ।
The food which is stale, tasteless, putrid and rotten, refuse and impure (meat etc), is dear to the Tamasic
यान्ति देवव्रता देवान् पितृन्यान्ति पितृव्रताः
भूतानि यान्ति भूतेज्या यान्ति मद्याजिनोऽपिमाम् …. गीता ९/२५
अर्थात
देवताओं को पूजने वाले देवताओं को प्राप्त होते है, पितरों को पूजने वाले पितरों को प्राप्त होते है।
भूतों को पूजने वाले भूतों को प्राप्त होते है, और मेरा पूजन करने वाले भक्त मुझे ही प्राप्त होते है ॥
…………….इसलिए मेरे भक्तों का पुनर्जन्म नही होता !!
Votaries of the Devas go to the Devas (gods); to the Pitrs (ancestors), go their votaries; to the Bhutas (demons), go the Bhuta worshippers; My votaries too come unto Me……That’s why they attain Moskha; renouncement from birth-death cycles.
Few excerpts from the research done on Sai Satcharitra
साँई माँसाहार का प्रयोग करता था व स्वयं जीवहत्या करता था!
Sai Baba was meat eater and involved in killing innocent animals
१ मैं मस्जिद में एक बकरा हलाल करने वाला हूँ, बाबा ने शामा से कहा हाजी से पुछो उसे क्या रुचिकर होगा – “बकरे का मांस, नाध या अंडकोष ?”
-अध्याय ११
Baba said: I am going to kill goat in mosque, He told Shama to ask Haji what he likes to eat “meat of goat or it’s testicles”.
(1)मस्जिद मेँ एक बकरा बलि देने के लिए लाया गया। वह अत्यन्त दुर्बल और मरने वाला था। बाबा ने उनसे चाकू लाकर बकरा काटने को कहा।
-:अध्याय 23. पृष्ठ 161.
A feeble, weak goat was brought in the mosque for sacrificial killing. Baba asked for knife to kill the goat.
(2)तब बाबा ने काकासाहेब से कहा कि मैँ स्वयं ही बलि चढ़ाने का कार्य करूँगा।
-:अध्याय 23. पृष्ठ 162.
Then Baba told Kakasaheb that he will himself carry out this sacrificial killing of goat.
(3)फकीरोँ के साथ वो आमिष(मांस
और मछली का सेवन करते थे।-:अध्याय 5. व 7.
Baba used to feast on meat, fish with fakirs.
(4)कभी वे मीठे चावल बनाते और कभी मांसमिश्रित चावल अर्थात् नमकीन पुलाव।
-:अध्याय 38. पृष्ठ 269.
Sometimes Baba used to make sweet rice other times meat biryani.
(5)एक एकादशी के दिन उन्होँने दादा कलेकर को कुछ रूपये माँस खरीद लाने को दिये। दादा पूरे कर्मकाण्डी थे और प्रायः सभी नियमोँ का जीवन मेँ पालन किया करते थे।
-:अध्याय 32. पृष्ठः 270.
That Ekadashi Baba gave Dada Kelkar some money to bring meat. Dada Kelkar was devout Brahmin and always followed Vedic rituals, but still Baba made him bring this meat.
Would any sane Hindu follow Sai Baba, who was always practicing islam and staunch muslim, and who insisted on removal of Lord Krishna pious murti from Bihari ji’s temple to replace with his illness ridden dead body.
Hindus must remember these great verses from Sreemad Bhagwad Gita
यातयामं गतरसं पूति पर्युषितं च यत् ।
उच्छिष्टमपि चामेध्यं भोजनं तामसप्रियम् ….गीता १७/१
अर्थात
जो भोजन अधपका, रसरहित, दुर्गन्धयुक्त, बासी और उच्छिष्ट है तथा जो अपवित्र(मांस आदि
भी है, वह भोजन तामस(अधम पुरुषों को प्रिय होते हैं ।The food which is stale, tasteless, putrid and rotten, refuse and impure (meat etc), is dear to the Tamasic
यान्ति देवव्रता देवान् पितृन्यान्ति पितृव्रताः
भूतानि यान्ति भूतेज्या यान्ति मद्याजिनोऽपिमाम् …. गीता ९/२५
अर्थात
देवताओं को पूजने वाले देवताओं को प्राप्त होते है, पितरों को पूजने वाले पितरों को प्राप्त होते है।
भूतों को पूजने वाले भूतों को प्राप्त होते है, और मेरा पूजन करने वाले भक्त मुझे ही प्राप्त होते है ॥
…………….इसलिए मेरे भक्तों का पुनर्जन्म नही होता !!
Votaries of the Devas go to the Devas (gods); to the Pitrs (ancestors), go their votaries; to the Bhutas (demons), go the Bhuta worshippers; My votaries too come unto Me……That’s why they attain Moskha; renouncement from birth-death cycles.
Nyingjé Tso
Tänpa Yungdrung zhab pä tän gyur jig
Let him worship Sai Baba in peace, since when Hindus care about their neighbour's ishta or judge another hindu by the deities on his shrine ? You do not agree ? Well, he worship Him anyway. Do what ? Is there going to be 4 pages of Sai bana bash-Sai baba love-bash-love-bash again ?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Hindus are very specific about Dashavataras. The last, Kalki will come after 427,000 years. It cannot be otherwise. Why not worship Jesus in that case? In case one is 'advaitist', then even a dog is an avatara. Why should some one be special? In that case, worship a dog.
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Nyingjé Tso
Tänpa Yungdrung zhab pä tän gyur jig
Not every sampraday believe in avataras, and I don't see any more problem paying homage to Bhairava's dogs than Krishna's cows or Shiva's bull.
It is not my point.
My point is, scolding or challenging sb's beliefs here is bullying. Because it is not the intend of the trezd, nor it is allowed in the DIR. If you want to keep debating about this, then it would be way wiser to open a tread in same faith debates, before the mods come in this tread AGAIN to delete those posts and distribute warnings.
Now I am out of here since sai baba worship is none of my concern.
It is not my point.
My point is, scolding or challenging sb's beliefs here is bullying. Because it is not the intend of the trezd, nor it is allowed in the DIR. If you want to keep debating about this, then it would be way wiser to open a tread in same faith debates, before the mods come in this tread AGAIN to delete those posts and distribute warnings.
Now I am out of here since sai baba worship is none of my concern.
Ravi500
Active Member
Hinduism♥Krishna;3839866 said:PranAm, I've found this on Internet.
Few excerpts from the research done on Sai Satcharitra
साँई माँसाहार का प्रयोग करता था व स्वयं जीवहत्या करता था!
Sai Baba was meat eater and involved in killing innocent animals
१ मैं मस्जिद में एक बकरा हलाल करने वाला हूँ, बाबा ने शामा से कहा हाजी से पुछो उसे क्या रुचिकर होगा बकरे का मांस, नाध या अंडकोष ?
-अध्याय ११
Baba said: I am going to kill goat in mosque, He told Shama to ask Haji what he likes to eat meat of goat or its testicles.
(1)मस्जिद मेँ एक बकरा बलि देने के लिए लाया गया। वह अत्यन्त दुर्बल और मरने वाला था। बाबा ने उनसे चाकू लाकर बकरा काटने को कहा।
-:अध्याय 23. पृष्ठ 161.
A feeble, weak goat was brought in the mosque for sacrificial killing. Baba asked for knife to kill the goat.
(2)तब बाबा ने काकासाहेब से कहा कि मैँ स्वयं ही बलि चढ़ाने का कार्य करूँगा।
-:अध्याय 23. पृष्ठ 162.
Then Baba told Kakasaheb that he will himself carry out this sacrificial killing of goat.
(3)फकीरोँ के साथ वो आमिष(मांस
-:अध्याय 5. व 7.
Baba used to feast on meat, fish with fakirs.
(4)कभी वे मीठे चावल बनाते और कभी मांसमिश्रित चावल अर्थात् नमकीन पुलाव।
-:अध्याय 38. पृष्ठ 269.
Sometimes Baba used to make sweet rice other times meat biryani.
(5)एक एकादशी के दिन उन्होँने दादा कलेकर को कुछ रूपये माँस खरीद लाने को दिये। दादा पूरे कर्मकाण्डी थे और प्रायः सभी नियमोँ का जीवन मेँ पालन किया करते थे।
-:अध्याय 32. पृष्ठः 270.
That Ekadashi Baba gave Dada Kelkar some money to bring meat. Dada Kelkar was devout Brahmin and always followed Vedic rituals, but still Baba made him bring this meat.
Would any sane Hindu follow Sai Baba, who was always practicing islam and staunch muslim, and who insisted on removal of Lord Krishna pious murti from Bihari jis temple to replace with his illness ridden dead body.
Hindus must remember these great verses from Sreemad Bhagwad Gita
यातयामं गतरसं पूति पर्युषितं च यत् ।
उच्छिष्टमपि चामेध्यं भोजनं तामसप्रियम् .गीता १७/१
अर्थात
जो भोजन अधपका, रसरहित, दुर्गन्धयुक्त, बासी और उच्छिष्ट है तथा जो अपवित्र(मांस आदि
The food which is stale, tasteless, putrid and rotten, refuse and impure (meat etc), is dear to the Tamasic
यान्ति देवव्रता देवान् पितृन्यान्ति पितृव्रताः
भूतानि यान्ति भूतेज्या यान्ति मद्याजिनोऽपिमाम् . गीता ९/२५
अर्थात
देवताओं को पूजने वाले देवताओं को प्राप्त होते है, पितरों को पूजने वाले पितरों को प्राप्त होते है।
भूतों को पूजने वाले भूतों को प्राप्त होते है, और मेरा पूजन करने वाले भक्त मुझे ही प्राप्त होते है ॥
.इसलिए मेरे भक्तों का पुनर्जन्म नही होता !!
Votaries of the Devas go to the Devas (gods); to the Pitrs (ancestors), go their votaries; to the Bhutas (demons), go the Bhuta worshippers; My votaries too come unto Me Thats why they attain Moskha; renouncement from birth-death cycles.
Nice to see the context for the intuitive promptings that brought me back.
What about Durga, who is fond of meat Herself !
There is a mantra for Her... which goes like...
Om Mamsapriyah Namah
Shirdi Sai practiced a syncretism of Hinduism and Islam , and as such He practiced the rituals and rules of both.
Many of the lower castes in Hinduism themselves takes meat, due to the demands of their profession which requires rajas. Shirdi sai did the same, and note that he mixed mainly with the lower castes and common people, who were shunned from the temples at those times.
Seeing his many miracles, the upper castes started coming to Him as well and following him and worshipping Him . It is but natural.
Instead of looking at his superficial negatives, start looking at his substantial positives for a change. You too might get benefitted for the better, perhaps.
Hinduism♥Krishna;3839866 said:
I think Avatars are beyond the distinction of Hindu, Muslim, etc.. With Hindus He is a proponent of Hinduism. With Muslims He is a proponent of Islam (and they eat meat under Islamic regulations).
Jai Sai Ram
ronki23
Well-Known Member
Don't fully understand why he is revered in Hinduism. He prayed like a Muslim.
I see he taught religion to both Hindu and Muslim though. Perhaps a religious teacher for those who were illiterate?