Scimitar
Eschatologist
Salaam Alaikum, Scrimitar. Nice to hear you are a brother in monotheism, though we in most likelihood disagree in our definitions of how God is one.
Walakum salaam my Christian brother
Sure, He said that. That was in most likelihood a figure of speech, since we know that many people who use the sword die peacefully.
That doesn't negate His command to love enemies and to turn the other cheek, or in any way provide evidence that He allowed His followers to use violence.
Correct. Even after His death and resurrection, however, His disciples continued to be non-violent. There is no record of early Christians trying to fight back and kill the Jewish mob instigators and religious authorities- and later the Roman Emperor Nero and his men- who arrested and beat and stoned and murdered them. When Paul and Silas were helped to escape from prison by an earthquake that God sent, instead of running away and allowing their jailer to kill himself, Paul stopped him and converted him.
You are definitely correct. When Christ returns, He will use a lot of violence and He will fight the Evil One and his followers. There will be a lot of killing and there will be a lot of blood.
However, this is in reference to the End Times, not now. When the End Times happen, you believe Jesus will abolish the Jizyah. If I am not mistaken, Muslim nations are to impose it on non-Muslims until that day.
Trees will also allegedly start talking then and tell Muslims if there is a Jewish enemy hiding behind them. Are you going to start going around forests and asking trees if they are providing cover to a Jew? Of course not.
We are living in the here and now. The antiChrist has not come yet.
The fact is that Christians are not allowed to use violence, at least not until the End Times. When Christ returns, everything will change. But we are talking about the here and now.
Nice talking to you, my friend. Ramadan Mubarak.
It was really refreshing to read your post as well brother, and it pleases me that we are able to see each other as brothers even though (as you say) our theology of God may differ, we share many other beliefs that do align.
I would rather concentrate on what we all have in common, that our differences anyway, some people here are only here for the opposing reasons.
gnostic said:No where in the gospels did Jesus ordered anyone to attack anyone, scimitar. He didn't have an army like Muhammad, nor did any of them raid caravans or fought in any battle, like Muhammad and his followers did.
You know what? I honestly cannot believe that after the time you spend here arguing against Islam - how you've not been bothered to even look into the authentic narratives from Islam regarding said events. For me, you are a complete fail in this regard. Do you even know what methodology is young man?
I am not going to play upskirt hoola games with you gnostic, you do that fine enough on your own...
Your teachers would be ashamed. Nay, Jesus would be ashamed of you - and I honestly believe so.
gnostic said:Jesus just talk and teach. The only things that happen is Jesus tossing some tables and driving out animals and salesmen out of the temple, and one of his disciples cutting off the ear of ONE PERSON. Like what TG said, Jesus said to bring the swords, and one person was injured, Jesus didn't order any attack and stopped it and healed a servant. I think this scene only demonstrate Jesus being a healer, not a warrior.
Neither scenes can be called as a "battle". And beside, I am not even sure that any of these events actually took place.
SO wait, you are not sure about any event taking place but you're sure that Jesus just taught and preached... pffft... I've been arguing with an idiot.
Scimi