Return of Christ

james2ko · Jul 5, 2014

Pegg said:
lol, no im not embarrassed at all.

You should be after being at a lost for words to all of the passages I posted and convincingly being proven wrong with 1 Tim 6:16.. Even though, it's great to see your skin is as tough as your doctrinal bias.

Pegg · Jul 6, 2014

james2ko said:
You should be after being at a lost for words to all of the passages I posted and convincingly being proven wrong with 1 Tim 6:16.. Even though, it's great to see your skin is as tough as your doctrinal bias.

look at it this way, either we will see him in physical form sitting in Jerusalem one day, or he will return and rule from heaven invisibly.

If the former is right, then it wont matter that we believed he'd come invisibly because someone will report that Jesus has returned and somehow managed to convert the Mosque back into the temple and people are queuing up to meet him and here's the most recent interview and picture of the returned Christ and I will have to wait for years in line to meet him.

But if he returns invisibly, then you might find that you wont be ready for his arrival because you'll be expecting to actually see him sitting on a throne in Jerusalem and if he comes invisibly from heaven, then you will never get to see what you are waiting for and thus may miss out on what he's offering.

So ill take my chances with the invisible return

james2ko · Jul 6, 2014

Pegg said:
look at it this way, either we will see him in physical form sitting in Jerusalem one day, or he will return and rule from heaven invisibly.

If the former is right, then it wont matter that we believed he'd come invisibly because someone will report that Jesus has returned and somehow managed to convert the Mosque back into the temple and people are queuing up to meet him and here's the most recent interview and picture of the returned Christ and I will have to wait for years in line to meet him.

But if he returns invisibly, then you might find that you wont be ready for his arrival because you'll be expecting to actually see him sitting on a throne in Jerusalem and if he comes invisibly from heaven, then you will never get to see what you are waiting for and thus may miss out on what he's offering.

So ill take my chances with the invisible return

That is such a pleasant and indirect way to admit the JW's have Christ's return all wrong. Makes one wonder what else you guys have wrong. But perhaps we should focus and think about the things you guys have right................................................Uh, can I get back to you when I think of one?

Pegg · Jul 6, 2014

james2ko said:
That is such a pleasant and indirect way to admit the JW's have Christ's return all wrong. Makes one wonder what else you guys have wrong. But perhaps we should focus and think about the things you guys have right................................................Uh, can I get back to you when I think of one?

i'll let you keep thinking on that one

We are doing the work Jesus asked his followers to do....we've 100% got that one right

james2ko · Jul 6, 2014

Pegg said:
i'll let you keep thinking on that one.

I'll do my best to think of something before Christ returns

We are doing the work Jesus asked his followers to do....we've 100% got that one right

Amen! You know I'm only kidding. Christ said those who are not against us are for us (Mar 9:40). Nevertheless, it is still fun proving you guys wrong

paarsurrey · Jul 6, 2014

InChrist said:
I don't believe so...

And Jesus answered and said to them: Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, I am the Christ, and will deceive many. Matthew 24:4-5

Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There! do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you, Look, He is in the desert! do not go out; or Look, He is in the inner rooms! do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Matthew 24:23-27

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Revelation 1:7

That was for Paul - the seed of the Anti-Christ.

Regards

BruceDLimber · Jul 6, 2014

InChrist said:
Did Jesus prophecy bahaulla[sic]?

Not by name, no; but both the Jewish and Christian scriptures did!

You can see the details here:

Baha'i: Prophecy Fulfilled Homepage

Peace,

Bruce

InChrist · Jul 6, 2014

BruceDLimber said:
Not by name, no; but both the Jewish and Christian scriptures did!

You can see the details here:

Baha'i: Prophecy Fulfilled Homepage

Peace,

Bruce

Thanks for the link and article, but I think the Baha'i teaching, contrary to the claims of your linked article, are in complete contradiction to the biblical scriptures.

"The second coming of Christ also can not refer to Baha'u'llah. Scripture indicates that the very same Jesus who ascended into heaven will one day personally return (Acts 1:9-11). The Bible also prophesies several dramatic and highly visible signs that will accompany the Second Coming (Matthew 24:29). None of these signs were present when Baha'u'llah arrived on the scene. He also didn't show up in the right place. Scripture clearly indicates that at the Second Coming the Messiah will come to Jerusalem and his feet will physically touch the Mount of Olives (Zech. 14:4). Baha'u'llah never did this."

Baha'i Beliefs

InChrist · Jul 6, 2014

paarsurrey said:
That was for Paul - the seed of the Anti-Christ.

Regards

What are you talking about?

paarsurrey · Jul 7, 2014

InChrist said:
What are you talking about?

It was Paul who stood up, on a fake vision, in the name of Christ; and the Christians who do everything and pray "in the name of Jesus" or "through Jesus Christ our Lord," or "In the Name of Christ" and so on and so forth.

Hence Paul is the seed of Anti-Christ and modern Christianity- a full blown and full bloomed mythical tree on creeds invented by Paul and the Church and its priests is the Anti-Christ, Jesus talked about.

Of course one could differ with me with or without reasons and arguments.

Regards

savagewind · Jul 7, 2014

paarsurrey said:
It was Paul who stood up, on a fake vision, in the name of Christ; and the Christians who do everything and pray "in the name of Jesus" or "through Jesus Christ our Lord," or "In the Name of Christ" and so on and so forth.

Hence Paul is the seed of Anti-Christ and modern Christianity- a full blown and full bloomed mythical tree on creeds invented by Paul and the Church and its priests is the Anti-Christ, Jesus talked about.

Of course one could differ with me with or without reasons and arguments.

Regards

I agree with you about the part of the Church with it's leaders is antichrist. But... I view Paul as an older man of whom I am not to slap.....Or did HE write that? Haha.
Today I do not agree that Paul is the seed of antichrist. I see that men's desire to be right first caused the antichrist. Or maybe it is called men's desire to be first right. Of course there were women egging them on.

paarsurrey · Jul 7, 2014

savagewind said:
I agree with you about the part of the Church with it's leaders is antichrist. But... I view Paul as an older man of whom I am not to slap.....Or did HE write that? Haha.
Today I do not agree that Paul is the seed of antichrist. I see that men's desire to be right first caused the antichrist. Or maybe it is called men's desire to be first right. Of course there were women egging them on.

Jesus warned about the wolf in sheep's clothing; Paul was just like that; hence I said about him as the seed of the Anti-Christ:

Matthew 7:15
[15] Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[16] By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [17]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. [19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. [20] Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.
[21] Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. [24] Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, [25] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock.

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Gospel According to Saint Matthew Chapter 7

Regards

savagewind · Jul 7, 2014

paarsurrey said:
Jesus warned about the wolf in sheep's clothing; Paul was just like that; hence I said about him as the seed of the Anti-Christ:

Matthew 7:15
[15] Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[16] By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [17]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. [19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. [20] Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.
[21] Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. [24] Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, [25] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock.

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Gospel According to Saint Matthew Chapter 7

Regards

OK. HOW was Paul like that? I think Paul did not change God's Word. I think he explained how to get out of Babylon the Great. Some of his words got changed just as Christ's words got changed.

Desert Snake · Jul 7, 2014

savagewind said:
OK. HOW was Paul like that? I think Paul did not change God's Word. I think he explained how to get out of Babylon the Great. Some of his words got changed just as Christ's words got changed.

I think Paul is some type of Scapegoat for those who wish to make Jesus merely a teacher etc. It's just opportunistic Bible criticism.

viole · Jul 7, 2014

InChrist said:
...knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of His coming? 2 Peter 3:3-4

Self fulfilling prophecy, it seems.

Ciao

- viole

InChrist · Jul 7, 2014

paarsurrey said:
It was Paul who stood up, on a fake vision, in the name of Christ; and the Christians who do everything and pray "in the name of Jesus" or "through Jesus Christ our Lord," or "In the Name of Christ" and so on and so forth.

Hence Paul is the seed of Anti-Christ and modern Christianity- a full blown and full bloomed mythical tree on creeds invented by Paul and the Church and its priests is the Anti-Christ, Jesus talked about.

Of course one could differ with me with or without reasons and arguments.

Regards

If you are speaking of the RCC and its priest who are acting as false mediators between God and humanity then I can agree. But I am afraid we do differ greatly in reference to Paul and my reasoning is based on the scriptures and the fact that they present Paul and the apostles in complete doctrinal agreement in submission to and servants of Jesus Christ alone as their Savior.

Saul who became Paul, being directly confronted and changed by Jesus Christ. went from being a persecutor of Christians to professing faith in Christ and spreading the good news about Jesus everywhere he went. (Acts 9)

Paul spent time interacting with the other apostles. ( 9:26-30; Acts 15:2; Gal. 1:18) in one accord (Acts 15:22), he was gladly received by James and all the elders. (Acts 21:17-18)

Paul was considered beloved by the other apostles (Acts 15:25; 2 Peter 3:15)

Paul preached the word of God. (Acts 17:13)

Paul testified that Jesus is the Christ. (Acts 18:5; 19:4)

The evil spirits knew that Paul was a servant of Jesus Christ. (Acts 19:15)

Paul persuaded many people throughout most of Asia to turn away from false gods. (Acts 19:26)

Paul greeted fellow believers in his epistles in the same manner as the other apostles did in theirs...bondservants of Jesus Christ...

Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ 2 Peter 1:1

Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God Romans 1:1

James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings. James 1:1

Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. (2 Peter 3:14-16)

InChrist · Jul 7, 2014

disciple said:
I think Paul is some type of Scapegoat for those who wish to make Jesus merely a teacher etc. It's just opportunistic Bible criticism.

I believe those who attack Paul and his teachings are in actuality attacking the heart of the gospel message of freedom and life in the power of Jesus Christ alone, the desire being to keep people in deception and bondage, which is truly the work of satan.

InChrist · Jul 7, 2014

viole said:
Self fulfilling prophecy, it seems.

Ciao

- viole

Think what you may. but biblical prophecy is always fulfilled.

InChrist · Jul 7, 2014

paarsurrey said:
Jesus warned about the wolf in sheep's clothing; Paul was just like that; hence I said about him as the seed of the Anti-Christ:

Matthew 7:15
[15] Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[16] By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [17]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. [19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. [20] Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.
[21] Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. [24] Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, [25] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock.

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Gospel According to Saint Matthew Chapter 7

Regards

This does not relate to Paul at all. As one who devoted his life to being a servant of Jesus Christ, enduring hardships and persecutions and death most likely by beheading in Rome for his commitment to Christ and spreading the gospel, his life brought forth good fruit for the LORD. I believe you are misapplying and twisting the scriptures to conform to some false theology you've bought into.

Nakosis · Jul 7, 2014

Is it ok to disagree with Paul?
Or must Paul be accepted as infallible ?

I don't think Paul was bad per say. I think he did what he thought was right. I just don't agree with some of his ideals.

So say a person agrees with Jesus but finds reason to disagree with some of Paul's teachings, would that person still receive salvation.

I think I agree though, Paul elevates Jesus to divinity. Eliminate Paul and Jesus becomes a Rabbi.

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