Is Islam a universal religion.

yeah, but give me one believer who feels their god made earth alone and not the rest of the universe... It's all or nothing...

I suppose there may be a lazy god who subcontracted out the far away stuff...
just saying?

Einstein said about god:
I don't know what god is but I do know that god is also subjected to the same universal laws .... Einstein! What does he know?

The Truthful Revelation is always reasonable; the One-True-God is All-Wise; so the revelation has to be reasonable, if correctly understood.

Peaceful dialogue with reasonable arguments is the language of correct understanding between human beings. Revelation helped by reason or reason helped by Revelation is the source of knowledge that could be acquired in the ethical, moral and spiritual realms. Islam provides it in the practical life.

It is for this that Islam is called a global or universal religion. Nothing is left on blind-faith.

Regards

paarsurrey said:

Nothing is left on blind-faith.

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Justifying blind faith with circular reasoning then claiming because of the circular reason there is no blind faith is even worse than merely claiming blind faith.

Mestemia said:

Justifying blind faith with circular reasoning then claiming because of the circular reason there is no blind faith is even worse than merely claiming blind faith.

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In that regard, what is not a blind faith ?

Quran provides commandments of the One-True-God with the wisdom of them. Scripture of no other religions provides the reason/wisdom content. Hence in this sense Islam is the only religion fit to be termed global or universal religion.

Regards

paarsurrey said:

Quran provides commandments of the One-True-God with the wisdom of them. Scripture of no other religions provides the reason/wisdom content. Hence in this sense Islam is the only religion fit to be termed global or universal religion.

Regards

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Let us play an interesting little game...

What we do is take your post above and show that it is just as equally valid a claim if you remove Quran and replace it with Bible.
Or Vedas...
Or Wiccan Reade...
Or the Wizards Rules....

Mestemia said:

Let us play an interesting little game...

What we do is take your post above and show that it is just as equally valid a claim if you remove Quran and replace it with Bible.
Or Vedas...
Or Wiccan Reade...
Or the Wizards Rules....

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That's silly. We all know Wiccans and Wizards don't follow the One-True-God™.

Gjallarhorn said:

That's silly. We all know Wiccans and Wizards don't follow the One-True-God™.

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Now, personally I think he should have gone with The DungeonMaster's Guidebook.
THAT book has all the answers..

I rather find the Islamic scriptures Arabocentric. But yes many of its contents can be applied universally as Parsurrey had said. The same can be said for the scriptures of other faith in the same manner.

Draupadi said:

I rather find the Islamic scriptures Arabocentric. But yes many of its contents can be applied universally as Parsurrey had said. The same can be said for the scriptures of other faith in the same manner.

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I tend to agree and that is what makes the whole steaming pile of rhetoric so absurd. The point is that no religion will appeal to everyone and so, in that regard, none of them can seriously be considered as "universal". That doesn't mean that you could not introduce it, like any other religion, into any culture and have it appeal to some.

Draupadi said:

I rather find the Islamic scriptures Arabocentric. But yes many of its contents can be applied universally as Parsurrey had said. The same can be said for the scriptures of other faith in the same manner.

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The prime teachings of all revealed religions are the same; in this sense all religions are for humanity and serve the same purposes under the sun.

Some or most revealed religions have lost the reason content by the doings of the clergy/narrators/scribes so their followers like to add reason content to them.

Quran has preserved the reason content (reason being the gobal medium of understanding for humans); there is no harm if others benefit from it.

Regards

paarsurrey said:

The prime teachings of all revealed religions are the same; in this sense all religions are for humanity and serve the same purposes under the sun.

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Sorry, but heartwarming as that statement may be, it can only work once you restrict the understanding of what a religion is accordingly.

There is a very wild variety of religions out there.

Nor does limiting yourself to revealed religions really help. If anything, that is an even more vague qualifier.

I fear that you will have to take the responsibility for picking and choosing which religions serve the same purpose and which do not. And I fully expect that if you are very honest and informed about it you will pretty much have to disregard links and claims to Abraham the Prophet.

To a large extent because they are expected to be revealed by prophets following Abraham's style, the Abrahamic faiths are probably more heterogeneous and harder to internally reconcile than their non-Abrahamic rivals.

Some or most revealed religions have lost the reason content by the doings of the clergy/narrators/scribes so their followers like to add reason content to them.

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That may be, and in my personal opinion should be seen as an attempt at self-healing. It is the continued duty of all religious people to care for the relevancy and meaning of their faiths.

The idea that religious doctrine can begin in some sort of pure, pristine state and only degenerate from there is certainly odd and almost certainly harmful.

I fully hope Abrahamists can learn to overcome it.

Quran has preserved the reason content (reason being the global medium of understanding for humans); there is no harm if others benefit from it.

Regards

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Regards. I wish I saw any evidence that you are correct about the Quran, but it really seems to be nowhere to be found.

Lots of people want the Quran to be that perfect and reliable, but the results, the evidence? They simply refuse to appear.

If by universal you mean it is for all of mankind, the clear answer is YES

It sure is ...



Different prophets before Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, were sent by God to their people

As for Islam, God's final religion, it is for all of mankind ...

Cordoba said:

If by universal you mean it is for all of mankind, the clear answer is YES

It sure is ...



Different prophets before Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, were sent by God to their people

As for Islam, God's final religion, it is for all of mankind ...

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How can it be meant for all of mankind when it makes a point of excluding so many?

Hello Luis

Who does it exclude?

Hi, Cordoba.

Atheists, for one.

A bit less obviously, also people who don't feel particularly attuned to the idea of submission to God, or who don't feel a lot of inspiration from the Quran.

Sincerely, it makes no sense for such a strictly theistic religion to aspire to reach everyone. That is simply not at all possible, even in very broad terms.

But Islam does not exclude atheists

God invites them to read His Book, to take their time to ponder and reflect and if convinced, invites them to become part of Islam

Freedom is the key word here

God does not force atheists to become Muslims if they don't want to

You know what "exclude" means?

It means I invite all my colleagues at work for dinner, but I exclude from the invitation Americans for example or Australians

This is clearly not the case

All are invited to Islam, and that is what makes it a universal religion

Whether people accept the invitation or not is their own free choice ...

Mestemia said:

Let us play an interesting little game...

What we do is take your post above and show that it is just as equally valid a claim if you remove Quran and replace it with Bible.
Or Vedas...
Or Wiccan Reade...
Or the Wizards Rules....

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I prefer the simple game of 'Fact or Opinion' myself.

Cordoba said:

But Islam does not exclude atheists

God invites them to read His Book, to take their time to ponder and reflect and if convinced, invites them to become part of Islam

Freedom is the key word here

God does not force atheists to become Muslims if they don't want to

You know what "exclude" means?

It means I invite all my colleagues at work for dinner, but I exclude from the invitation Americans for example or Australians

This is clearly not the case

All are invited to Islam, and that is what makes it a universal religion

Whether people accept the invitation or not is their own free choice ...

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Tafsir Surah al-Baqarah verses 6-7:

"Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe." {6}

"Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment." {7}


Sounds to me like non-believers don't have, or never had, much of a choice.

This is a common misconception in understanding verses (2:6-7)

The seal is not a permanent seal on the heart, hearing & eyes

It is a temporary seal, as long as a person is not willing to investigate the Qur'an in an objective way.

Once the reader takes a decision to find out the Truth, the seal is lifted, and they are guided

Proof?

Many atheists who did not believe in God, then read the Qur'an with an open mind, were convinced and God guided them to Islam ...

No one is excluded