Has the creator finally worked its ticket?

I mean what difference does it mean if we pay it any mind or not?

How about we just use the old reference documents for guidelines on how we should live and forget the worshipping bit.

I mean one physical appearance (debateable) in x years and expecting regular worship when we have more pressing matters to deal like survival with smacks of onesidedness to me.


I mean was his last alleged appearance admitting he got things wrong? If that is the case then he has gone down in my estimation. Maybe if we all ignored the creator then it may feel compelled to put in appearance.

Then we can grill it!

Contrary to what most people think, belief in God is not virtuous or righteous, nor is it a sign of intelligence or integrity. Belief is generally indicative of ignorance and unawareness, despite what so-called religionists and moralists attempt to depict. Belief in God does little good at all; in fact, it is the cause of an atrocious percentage of wars and conflicts humanity has fought over the millennia. Nearly every group that has fought in war has believed in a god who was on its particular side. Each cult or faction which has won has believed that its god provided it with the win; and each that has lost has believed that its god abandoned it.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/belief.htm

And here we go again... anyone fancy a swing on the maypole?

Name one war that wasn't fought for personal gain... religion is too often used as mask by those who command force and wealth when performing selfish acts.

It's a bit of a mugs game this worship. It may help if we view it some thing like this.


Something to do if you feel the need but not to slap too much importance on it. Not to get too het up if you do not fancy it or the bloke next to you isn't doing it. After all the creator is unlikely to care a great deal one way or the other.

Mr Suspicious said:

After all the creator is unlikely to care a great deal one way or the other.

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That we can agree on, but I think once the yanks get up you might be on the wrong end of a sharp stick.

ChrisP said:

And here we go again... anyone fancy a swing on the maypole?

Name one war that wasn't fought for personal gain... religion is too often used as mask by those who command force and wealth when performing selfish acts.

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Exactly, the creator is used a smokescreen for personal gain. Trying to intimidate the opposition that you have right on your side and some invisible force behind you.

We should call its bluff and draw it out into the open.

So we can grill it and get a grip of it's agenda.

Pardon the cryptic tendencies of this crazy fool but "It's" already in the open, stop looking for it and it will be found.

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That we can agree on, but I think once the yanks get up you might be on the wrong end of a sharp stick.

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I look forward to standing my ground. Too many people strutting around here basking in the knowledge that worship is time well spent.

ChrisP said:

Pardon the cryptic tendencies of this crazy fool but "It's" already in the open, stop looking for it and it will be found.

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I understand, I get cryptic when I do not want to give a straight answer too. Just ask my local policeman.

There should be a concerted effort to smoke the creator out and ask kindly without crucifying it this time what the big idea is.

What say you?

Oh but it is . Most forms of worship are also forms of meditation, and that has been proven both scientifically and unscientifically to be beneficial to the brain and the body and of course the spirit

Mr Suspicious said:

I understand, I get cryptic when I do not want to give a straight answer too. Just ask my local policeman.

There should be a concerted effort to smoke the creator out and ask kindly without crucifying it this time what the big idea is.

What say you?

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I already said "ya don't have to smoke something out that's already standing in front of ya"

ChrisP said:

And here we go again... anyone fancy a swing on the maypole?

Name one war that wasn't fought for personal gain... religion is too often used as mask by those who command force and wealth when performing selfish acts.

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I don't disagree with you, I was merely staing that religion / belief can be used is many negative aswell and positive ways be those that follow their 'god'.

ChrisP said:

Oh but it is . Most forms of worship are also forms of meditation, and that has been proven both scientifically and unscientifically to be beneficial to the brain and the body and of course the spirit

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I have no problem in meditation as such. Possibly you do it then fine, you come across as a reasonable chap and have a good grip on all of it. It's when people abuse it and go to war based on it is when I think we should bin it.

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I already said "ya don't have to smoke something out that's already standing in front of ya"

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If the creator is infront of me then I will continue to ignore it and it is not worthy of my attention playing silly buggers, if I had a child behaving the same way I would ignore it until it grew up. It knows the tools at my disposal having created me in the first place and what harm would there be if it makes itself agenda clear.

This current confusion is causing a lot of misery, you only have to look at the news.

This creator is getting what it deserves in my opinion and if it is sad then that's its luck out. No one else to blame but itself.

The lord is with all of us and it is up to you if you want him to guide you. People like you chhose to ignore him but I prefur to have him by my side and he makes me feel safe.

Jesus4Ever said:

The lord is with all of us and it is up to you if you want him to guide you. People like you chhose to ignore him but I prefur to have him by my side and he makes me feel safe.

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Whatever works for you fella. I drive an Aston Martin, now while I may look at the manual once in a while I do not have the guy with the name on my engine block in the bck seat. I paid him and I do not have to pay him any attention whatsoever. I may even ask him to get out of my car to be honest.

You know what I am saying.

By the way you feel safe relying on the lord, there's a lot of people taking a damn good kicking in Iraq at the moment with the creator conveniently dodging all the bullets.

With us all indeed!

Jesus4Ever said:

The lord is with all of us and it is up to you if you want him to guide you. People like you chhose to ignore him but I prefur to have him by my side and he makes me feel safe.

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You must live a very happy life, knowing you have someone watching over you . . How can you be sure they are there, or have you have an experience of interaction with your god???

rogue_believer said:

You must live a very happy life, knowing you have someone watching over you . . How can you be sure they are there, or have you have an experience of interaction with your god???

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Apparently the creator puts us to the test from time to time.

I say we turn the tables on it and try to flush it out into the open so we can interrogate it. This charade of now you see me now you don't and was I really here has gone on long enough.

If this was anyone's partner they would not tolerate this game.

Mr Suspicious said:

If the creator is infront of me then I will continue to ignore it and it is not worthy of my attention playing silly buggers, if I had a child behaving the same way I would ignore it until it grew up. It knows the tools at my disposal having created me in the first place and what harm would there be if it makes itself agenda clear.

This current confusion is causing a lot of misery, you only have to look at the news.

This creator is getting what it deserves in my opinion and if it is sad then that's its luck out. No one else to blame but itself.

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This statement is assuming that the creator is the... less knowing vessel. What if it is the source of all that is waiting for US to grow up. I certainly wouldn't want humanity in general as my friend if I were self-sustaining and content in my purpose. Needy lot us humans.

Can we expect a creative force to show us things we don't even comprehend, such as non-desire? There are some people out there ready for all these things, many of the people on this forum fall into that category but the uncaring world at large does not care about the existence of anything like a creative source. To believe there is something that is greater than the human species seems to be heresy these days.

rogue_believer said:

Belief in God does little good at all; in fact, it is the cause of an atrocious percentage of wars and conflicts humanity has fought over the millennia.

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So you're saying that atheists are a lot more peaceful?

Atheists like Hitler, Stalin, Mao....

In general, a believer in a religion will be a lot more law abiding (if he/she actually lives his/her beliefs instead of just giving them lip service), than someone who doesn't believe at all.

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I was merely staing that religion / belief can be used is many negative aswell and positive ways be those that follow their 'god'.

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I could make the same arguement about science / technology. People can corrupt any idea or tool and use it to evil ends. Is the evil in the ideas? The tools? Or is the evil in the people twisting them?

Mr Suspicious said:

It's when people abuse it and go to war based on it is when I think we should bin it.

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Should we get rid of everything that causes wars?

Historically, the biggest cause of wars has been land. Would you like to make all land uninhabitable so people stop fighting over it? The last two major conflicts the US fought have been over oil. Should we destroy all the remaining oil reserves in order to prevent future conflicts?

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If the creator is infront of me then I will continue to ignore it and it is not worthy of my attention playing silly buggers,

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You would ignore god even if god was plainly visible in front of you. And you expect god to waste his/her time appearing to you ... why?

rogue_believer said:

You must live a very happy life, knowing you have someone watching over you . . How can you be sure they are there, or have you have an experience of interaction with your god???

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Yes. Twice.

The main reason I advocate spiritual beliefs, however, is because my beliefs made me less likely to instigate conflicts. I treat people better than I did before. The majority of religious/spiritual people also treat others better.

There's a minority of fairly obnoxious people that become even more obnoxious due to their beliefs. These are the ones that athiests/agnostics like to point to when they say religion causes evil. The flaw lies in those people, not the religion. And the rest of us find them equally unpleasant to be around.