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Mans Law or GOD'S Law

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TheTruthWillSetUFree

Member
Why do so many people follow all the changes ,traditions,made by man,concerning God's law??Especially the 4th comandment.Matt.15:9John 14:15 Titus 1:14 1John 2:4
Rev.22:14 Colossians2:8 and most important Luke 16:17 .Im ready if you are.Would you like to know the TRUTH,please reply.
 
Super Universe

Super Universe

Defender of God
In John 14:15, Jesus says "If you love me, obey my commandments." Jesus did not give us the ten commandments, if that's what you were referring to. Jesus preached forgiveness of sin.

There are so many rules and supposed laws in the bible.

Here are just a few:
People pay the Lord a ransom-Exodus 30:11 (certainly not God's rule, sounds more like a religious invention to me so the priests can get rich)
Certain incense is reserved for the Lord-Exodus 31:38
Obey the sabath or die-Exodus 35:2
Animal sacrifice blood sprinkled on the altar-Leviticus 7:2
Never drink wine before going to the tabernacle-Leviticus 10:6
Do not touch snakes-Leviticus 12:43
Those with skin disease are supposed to tear their clothing and allow their hair to hang loose-Leviticus 14:45

I know the above rules are not those that you question about but my point is this: the bible is extremely old. It's intent was to give some ground rules to humans who lived thousands of years ago, humans who were by today's standards, ignorant.

If a person today still needs the ten commandments to know that it's not okay to sleep with another man's wife then honestly that person is spiritually equal to someone 2000 years ago.

It's time to evolve. It really, really is.
 
Bishka

Bishka

Veteran Member
Super Universe said:
In John 14:15, Jesus says "If you love me, obey my commandments." Jesus did not give us the ten commandments, if that's what you were referring to. Jesus preached forgiveness of sin.

There are so many rules and supposed laws in the bible.

Here are just a few:
People pay the Lord a ransom-Exodus 30:11 (certainly not God's rule, sounds more like a religious invention to me so the priests can get rich)
Certain incense is reserved for the Lord-Exodus 31:38
Obey the sabath or die-Exodus 35:2
Animal sacrifice blood sprinkled on the altar-Leviticus 7:2
Never drink wine before going to the tabernacle-Leviticus 10:6
Do not touch snakes-Leviticus 12:43
Those with skin disease are supposed to tear their clothing and allow their hair to hang loose-Leviticus 14:45

I know the above rules are not those that you question about but my point is this: the bible is extremely old. It's intent was to give some ground rules to humans who lived thousands of years ago, humans who were by today's standards, ignorant.

If a person today still needs the ten commandments to know that it's not okay to sleep with another man's wife then honestly that person is spiritually equal to someone 2000 years ago.

It's time to evolve. It really, really is.
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Ah-ha-ha. I got you there. To Orthodox Jew's those may still be the law(am I right guys?), but to Christians those laws don't count anymore because Jesus Christ came and fufilled the Mosiac Law(which those were) to them. So why are you quoting them? To Christians, they could care less about those, they aren't God's law anymore.
 
Super Universe

Super Universe

Defender of God
I may have assumed too much.

I quoted Old Testament whereas the question concerned New Testament. My mistake.

I'm on an Old Testament rant today.

Although the above questioned scriptures did not pose any rules?
 
Bishka

Bishka

Veteran Member
Super Universe said:
I may have assumed too much.

I quoted Old Testament whereas the question concerned New Testament. My mistake.

I'm on an Old Testament rant today.

Although the above questioned scriptures did not pose any rules?
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They did pose rules, the Old Testament did, and that was the Mosiac Law for the Jews at that time, for a certain purpose. The New Testament also has a few 'rules', more actual commandments in it.
 
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commandment4

Member
Sunday is a man-made day of rest. [FONT=Times New Roman, Arial]"Constantine the Great made a law for the whole empire (A.D. 321) that Sunday should be kept as a day of rest"
(Encyclopedia Americana, article "Sabbath"). [/FONT]
see not God, Constantine the Great changed it to sunday cuz the people that worsiped the sun god worsiped on sunday and the christians worshiped on saturday so he made it to where only one day was to be used for worship and that day was sunday

look it up it a historical fact
 
Scuba Pete

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
The disciples met on the first day of the week (Sunday). Go find the verse.

There are only TWO LAWS:

Love God

Love Everyone else!

When in doubt recycle through the two laws above. :D
 
Mister_T

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
beckysoup61 said:
Ah-ha-ha. I got you there. To Orthodox Jew's those may still be the law(am I right guys?), but to Christians those laws don't count anymore because Jesus Christ came and fufilled the Mosiac Law(which those were) to them. So why are you quoting them? To Christians, they could care less about those, they aren't God's law anymore.
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Not true (the part about Christians not caring about the OT). I know many Christians who still refrence the OT. Every Christian pastor I've listened to pulls quotes from the OT and the NT.
 
James the Persian

James the Persian

Dreptcredincios Crestin
commandment4 said:
Sunday is a man-made day of rest. [FONT=Times New Roman, Arial]"Constantine the Great made a law for the whole empire (A.D. 321) that Sunday should be kept as a day of rest"
(Encyclopedia Americana, article "Sabbath"). [/FONT]
see not God, Constantine the Great changed it to sunday cuz the people that worsiped the sun god worsiped on sunday and the christians worshiped on saturday so he made it to where only one day was to be used for worship and that day was sunday

look it up it a historical fact
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No it's not a historical fact (or rather it's a half-truth). Christian worship on Sundays long predates Constantine and can be seen in ante-Nicene Church writings. It was based on the day of the Resurrection. Sunday is not the Sabbath but Christians do not need to observe the Sabbath. Whether the Sol Invictus cult worshipped on a Sunday or not, then, is completely irrelevant. As to laws, of course the Emperor passed them. Who else would you expect to pass civil laws (and please note that the Empire was not Christian in Constantine's era, he merely made an edict that Christianity should be tolerated)? The majority of the bishops at Nicea (in Constantine's era) were confessors under the persecution of Diocletian, the most fierce persecution in the history of the Empire. Do you really believe that such people, who had been tortured and imprisoned for their faith would change the day on which they worshipped simply because a new, more tolerant, Emperor had granted Sunday as a civil day of rest to everyone in the Empire? Frankly, such a belief is completely ridiculous.

James
 
James the Persian

James the Persian

Dreptcredincios Crestin
TheTruthWillSetUFree said:
Christians do not need to observe the Sabbath???Then Christians do not need to obey the 10 Comandments.Is that what your saying??
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No, I'm saying that the Resurrection supersedes the Sabbath. Christ fulfilled the laws of the old covenant. You're just rehashing the same old arguments that were raised at the council of Jerusalem (in Acts) and it was the Judaisers who lost that one.

James
 
Scuba Pete

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
TheTruthWillSetUFree said:
Christians do not need to observe the Sabbath???Then Christians do not need to obey the 10 Comandments.Is that what your saying??
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Jesus said it best:

John 13:34 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." NIV

In two sentences we are given the only law we are under, AND the acid test for all true believers.
 
Popeyesays

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
NetDoc said:
Jesus said it best:

John 13:34 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." NIV

In two sentences we are given the only law we are under, AND the acid test for all true believers.
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He also says love God and one another, and from this descend all the laws and all the prophets.

Regards,
Scott
 
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commandment4

Member
Rev. 22:14
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
 
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