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Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

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Adstar

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Hello all :bounce

Buttercup suggested i post about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in a new thread. So here goes.


I would like you to have a look at Mark 3 22-30 because I do not feel it is possible to understand blasphemy of the Holy Spirit without understanding the verses where Jesus mentions it. I post them here for all to read.


Mark 3

22And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, "He has Beelzebub," and, "By the ruler of the demons He casts out demons."
23So He called them to Himself and said to them in parables: "How can Satan cast out Satan? 24If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end. 27No one can enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. And then he will plunder his house. 28 "Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"-- 30because they said, "He has an unclean spirit."


What did the scribes do? They said that the Holy Spirit that was with Jesus was "Beelzebub" They accused the Spirit of being a demon, (like calling God satan) that act is the sin of blasphemy of the Spirit. verse 30 refers to "they" they where the scribes in verse 22.

So if one pronounces that another person has a demon and that person actually is indwelled by the Holy Spirit then one has just accused the Holy Spirit of being a demon and has committed the sin that "never has forgiveness" and they are "subject to eternal condemnation".




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michel

michel

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Adstar said:
Hello all :bounce

Buttercup suggested i post about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in a new thread. So here goes.


I would like you to have a look at Mark 3 22-30 because I do not feel it is possible to understand blasphemy of the Holy Spirit without understanding the verses where Jesus mentions it. I post them here for all to read.


Mark 3

22And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, "He has Beelzebub," and, "By the ruler of the demons He casts out demons."
23So He called them to Himself and said to them in parables: "How can Satan cast out Satan? 24If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end. 27No one can enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. And then he will plunder his house. 28 "Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"-- 30because they said, "He has an unclean spirit."


What did the scribes do? They said that the Holy Spirit that was with Jesus was "Beelzebub" They accused the Spirit of being a demon, (like calling God satan) that act is the sin of blasphemy of the Spirit. verse 30 refers to "they" they where the scribes in verse 22.

So if one pronounces that another person has a demon and that person actually is indwelled by the Holy Spirit then one has just accused the Holy Spirit of being a demon and has committed the sin that "never has forgiveness" and they are "subject to eternal condemnation".




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It is a very good explanation; and further corroberated by matthew:

12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Defenders notes:-
The unforgivable sin of speaking against the Holy Spirit has been interpreted in various ways, but the true meaning cannot contradict other Scripture. It is unequivocally clear that the one unforgivable sin is permanent.​
 
FFH

FFH

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Halcyon said:
How do you tell the difference between possession by a demon and the Holy Spirit?
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Galatians 5: 22-23

22- But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23- Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
 
FFH

FFH

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Joseph Smith Inspired Version

Mark 3: 21-25 (compare to KJV Mark 3: 28-30)

Dark blue is King James version and light blue is Joseph Smith inspired version.

21- And then came certain men unto him, accusing him, saying, Why do ye receive sinners, seeing thou makest thyself the Son of God.

22- But he answered them and said, Verily I say unto you, All sins which men have committed, when they repent, shall be forgiven them; for I came to preach repentance unto the sons of men.

23- And bleasphemies, wherewith soever they shall blaspheme, shall be forgiven them that come unto me, and do the works which they see me do.

24- But there is a sin which shall not be forgiven. He that blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, hath never forgiveness; but is in danger of being cut down out of the world. And they shall inherit eternal damnation.

25- And this he said unto them because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.


King James Version

Mark 3: 28-30

28- Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29- But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

30- Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
 
FFH

FFH

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Jesus came into the world to save it, but not if one says that he was posessed by Satan, and did what he did by the power of Satan, while on earth. This is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. Accusing Jesus Christ of doing what he did, by the power of Satan, while on earth, is the worst blashphemy possible, according to Jesus Christ.
 
Buttercup

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Hi Adstar,

Just got around to seeing this thread. I have to say that the explanation you give along with the accompanying verses are not at all what I have believed about blasphemy of the spirit being the unforgiveable sin. I shall have to do some research of my own and I'll get back to this thread.....may not be till tomorrow. :)
 
Buttercup

Buttercup

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I'm glad we're discussing this topic because I think I have always misunderstood the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I heard it defined one way years ago and never thought much about a differing definition because I knew I could not commit the most grevious sin as I am a beliver in Christ. I simply thought blasphemy against the Holy Spirit meant a continual, lifelong denial of the attoning works of Jesus Christ. Seems as though I'm wrong. Here's pretty good summation that corroborates the OP.....but I do have a question: Some believe this sin cannot be commited today because Jesus in not here on earth at this time. Do you think this sin can still be commited today?

This is quoted from www.gotquestions.org

Question: "What is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?"

Answer: The case of "blasphemy against the Spirit" in the New Testament is mentioned in Mark 3:22-30 and in Matthew 12:22-32. The term blasphemy may be generally defined as "defiant irreverence." We would apply the term to such sins as cursing God, or willfully degrading things relating to God. It is also attributing some evil to God, or denying Him some good that we should attribute to Him. This case of blasphemy, however, is a specific one, called "THE blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" in Matthew 12:31. In Matthew 12:31-32, the Pharisees, having witnessed irrefutable proof that Jesus was working miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that the Lord was possessed by the demon "Beelzebub" (Matthew 12:24). Now notice that in Mark 3:30 Jesus is very specific about what exactly they did to commit "the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit."

This blasphemy has to do with someone accusing Jesus Christ of being demon-possessed instead of Spirit-filled. There are other ways to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, but this was "THE" unpardonable blasphemy. As a result, the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be duplicated today. Jesus Christ is not on earth. but seated at the right Hand of God. No one can witness Jesus Christ performing a miracle and then attribute that power to Satan instead of the Spirit. Although there is no blasphemy of the Spirit today, we should always keep in mind there is an unpardonable state of existence--the state of continued unbelief. There is no pardon for a person who dies in unbelief. Continual rejection of the Holy Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ is the unpardonable blasphemy. Remember what is stated in John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have eternal life." The only condition when someone would have no forgiveness is if that someone is not among the "whoever believes in Him."
 
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[/QUOTE]So if one pronounces that another person has a demon and that person actually is indwelled by the Holy Spirit then one has just accused the Holy Spirit of being a demon and has committed the sin that "never has forgiveness" and they are "subject to eternal condemnation".
So what exactly does this mean?
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Buttercup

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I'll let Adstar answer that....

What do you think about the unforgiveable sin AE? What defines it to you?
 
St0ne

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so my blasphame against god excludes me from heaven if i decide to convert in the future?
 
lunamoth

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I think blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is denying that good is good, that virtues are virtues and saying instead that something good is evil. It's really going over to the dark side and giving up hope, and it's not 'forgivable' because you have denied that forgiveness is desirable or possible. In other words, you yourself have shut the door tight. I actually think that even this is reversible...

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lunamoth, who probably really needs to brush up on her theology
 
lunamoth

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St0ne said:
so my blasphame against god excludes me from heaven if i decide to convert in the future?
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according to buttercup's explanation it is not possible for you to commit the unpardonable sin.

peace,
lunamoth
 
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lunamoth said:
according to buttercup's explanation it is not possible for you to commit the unpardonable sin.

peace,
lunamoth
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If it's not possible to commit the unpardonable sin, why is there such a thing mentioned with reference to people? Why would it even be mentioned?
 
lunamoth

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angellous_evangellous said:
If it's not possible to commit the unpardonable sin, why is there such a thing mentioned with reference to people? Why would it even be mentioned?
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Hi AE, I was going by buttercup's explanation in post number 9 of this thread. I actually like it because it makes me feel warm and fuzzy. :D

But seriously, it jives with my first explanation above. I think it is a warning against denying goodness. You can say you don't believe in God and still do good, you can say you don't believe in Jesus Christ and do good, but if you say that the fruits of the Spirit are bad and say good is not worth doing, then you've really given up everything.

peace,
lunamoth
 
Buttercup

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Hmmm, read some more about this subject today and I've discovered wildly varying opinions on the subject of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I hate it when that happens! :) Here I haven't been worrying about it for the last 20 years and now it pops up and is concerning me. Not so much for myself but others. Guess it's the Holy Spirit talking to me. Will return after more research. I'm talking to my Pastor tomorrow about some other topics....guess I'll add this to the list. He'll probably hang up on me after I keep firing questions at 'em. Oh well, this is what we pay him for!
 
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lunamoth said:
Hi AE, I was going by buttercup's explanation in post number 9 of this thread. I actually like it because it makes me feel warm and fuzzy. :D
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Now that's a damn good reason to believe in anything.

How do you think we got all these religions?!

Beer and pizza makes me feel warm and fuzzy.:bow: -- In fact, that's what I had for dinner!
 
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