Sorry you feel that way, sojourner. I can assure you that the LDS do not feel superior to anyone else. Furthermore, I think you know by now, from talking to me in other threads, that we believe in the most all-inclusive heaven of any Christian denomination on earth. I realize that you believe that literally everybody will go to heaven. We follow so closely behind you in that belief that it's not even funny.sojourner said:
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A common respect of faiths
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joeboonda
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7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
(King James Bible, Matthew)
10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
(King James Bible, John)
10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
(King James Bible, John)
Here we see that there is a way, a door, and Jesus is that door, and few will find it. This is what Jesus said, and he warned of Hell more than He spoke of Heaven, so I say, trust Jesus while you can, for it is appointed unto man once to die and after this the judgement. Remember the Rich man, he died, and being in Hell...Do not fall for the, oh, you still can get it right in the next life, that is not what the Bible says! Trust in Christ alone, TODAY is the day of salvation, it is a moment in time when you trust nothing but the blood of Jesus to save you, not Him plus a church, or sacrament, or covenant, or any other ordinance or ritual, Jesus said," I am the way...", there is no other.
(King James Bible, Matthew)
10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
(King James Bible, John)
10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
(King James Bible, John)
Here we see that there is a way, a door, and Jesus is that door, and few will find it. This is what Jesus said, and he warned of Hell more than He spoke of Heaven, so I say, trust Jesus while you can, for it is appointed unto man once to die and after this the judgement. Remember the Rich man, he died, and being in Hell...Do not fall for the, oh, you still can get it right in the next life, that is not what the Bible says! Trust in Christ alone, TODAY is the day of salvation, it is a moment in time when you trust nothing but the blood of Jesus to save you, not Him plus a church, or sacrament, or covenant, or any other ordinance or ritual, Jesus said," I am the way...", there is no other.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
"The God I know is loving, patient, kind, gentle, merciful, understanding, and just. He will punish the wicked with right justice, and reward the righteous that truly seek after Him. But if one wonders if they are good enough to inherit eternal life, none of us are, that is why Jesus paid for our sins, as a free gift to everyone who would accept it. But that is just my belief. May God grant us all the wisdom and desire to seek and find the truth."
I can agree with most of it, with the following notes: Is being mistaken being "wicked"? If I can see the difference, can't God?
If faith without deeds is not faith then what do we really need for "salvation"? Grace. Grace is infinite, so someone mistaken - in good faith - must also be the recipient of God's grace. After all, "In my father's house are many mansions . . ."
From my faith it is put succinctly:
"1. O SON OF SPIRIT!
My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting.
2. O SON OF SPIRIT!
The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy heart; how it behooveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then before thine eyes.
3. O SON OF MAN!
Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee; therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee Mine image and revealed to thee My beauty.
4. O SON OF MAN!
I loved thy creation, hence I created thee. Wherefore, do thou love Me, that I may name thy name and fill thy soul with the spirit of life.
5. O SON OF BEING!
Love Me, that I may love thee. If thou lovest Me not, My love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, O servant.
6. O SON OF BEING!
Thy Paradise is My love; thy heavenly home, reunion with Me. Enter therein and tarry not. This is that which hath been destined for thee in Our kingdom above and Our exalted dominion." Arabic Hidden Words, Baha`u'llah
There is no demand for exclusivity in these words, why are there in yours?
Regards,
Scott
I can agree with most of it, with the following notes: Is being mistaken being "wicked"? If I can see the difference, can't God?
If faith without deeds is not faith then what do we really need for "salvation"? Grace. Grace is infinite, so someone mistaken - in good faith - must also be the recipient of God's grace. After all, "In my father's house are many mansions . . ."
From my faith it is put succinctly:
"1. O SON OF SPIRIT!
My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting.
2. O SON OF SPIRIT!
The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy heart; how it behooveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then before thine eyes.
3. O SON OF MAN!
Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee; therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee Mine image and revealed to thee My beauty.
4. O SON OF MAN!
I loved thy creation, hence I created thee. Wherefore, do thou love Me, that I may name thy name and fill thy soul with the spirit of life.
5. O SON OF BEING!
Love Me, that I may love thee. If thou lovest Me not, My love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, O servant.
6. O SON OF BEING!
Thy Paradise is My love; thy heavenly home, reunion with Me. Enter therein and tarry not. This is that which hath been destined for thee in Our kingdom above and Our exalted dominion." Arabic Hidden Words, Baha`u'llah
There is no demand for exclusivity in these words, why are there in yours?
Regards,
Scott
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
The bible says all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags, the more we wipe the dirtier we get. We need Christ's righteousness, to be imputed unto us, his blood to wash away our sin, there is no other way. I do not think that being mistaken is wicked, it is just error, God looks at our hearts. Of course the Bible says the heart of man is black and wicked above all things, so, I don't know so much that I trust my heart, but I do trust in what Christ did for me, and that is all I can do.
Geoffthe3rd
Member
:clap Standing Ovation for Michel, hopefully we can now at least not look like we are trying to tear each other :clap
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
joeboonda said:
I don't think Jesus ever used those words. That His apostles chose to do so after He was gone is very strange to me, but it certainly seems to bely the words of Christ.:tsk:
Regards,
Scott
joeboonda
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The old testament as well as the new states that all have gone astray and that there is none righteous. I know I am not righteous, I have broken all ten commandments in one form or another, and am therefore in need of a saviour. What do you think the words of Jesus mean here:
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
This says God loved us enought to send his son to pay for our sins (the wages of sin is death, so he died), it says those who believe in Him are not condemned, but those who do not are condemned already, in other words, we are ALL under condemnation already for our sins, only after we accept Christ's payment are we no longer condemned. This is the gospel, the very thing that people seem to talk about every other religious 'stuff' and ignore the main thing. This is basic Christianity, I know of nothing else.
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
This says God loved us enought to send his son to pay for our sins (the wages of sin is death, so he died), it says those who believe in Him are not condemned, but those who do not are condemned already, in other words, we are ALL under condemnation already for our sins, only after we accept Christ's payment are we no longer condemned. This is the gospel, the very thing that people seem to talk about every other religious 'stuff' and ignore the main thing. This is basic Christianity, I know of nothing else.
joeboonda
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Squirt said:Yes, we should all strive to be as unrighteous as possible!
Lol, well, be ye Holy as I am Holy, is the right answer. Thing is, man judges the outward appearance, and God looks at the heart. We are to judge certain things, with our brothers in Christ, in love, but other things we are not to judge. If a person is saved, washed in the blood of Christ, he is saved. If I see him do something I believe is not right, I may say something, but, I do not question his salvation, for salvation is a totally free gift. That is my belief, and others may not hold to that, but that is my belief from my study and experience.
Geoffthe3rd
Member
We all profess to be Christians on here so i doubt you need to preach to us Joe, but are you saying that once im saved and have Gods grace i can still be unclean, still do things as i use too, live life as i want to, and still expect to get into heaven??? Well i dont which is why I believe Salvation is a process in which we strive to be more Christlike, which i think general protestantism has forgotten
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
Geoffthe3rd said:
Please understand I am not a Christian. I profess that Jesus was a Manifestation of God, but I am a Baha`i. If you need info on the Baha`i Faith, try www.bahai.org, or check out the sticky note on the Baha`i forum under Abrahamic faiths.
Regards,
Scott
Geoffthe3rd
Member
sorry, i was just generalizing
Geoffthe3rd
Member
Alright, just find it and we'll begin our discussion
That has got to be one of the cheapest shots ive seen on this forum, to suppose "that most Christians get a lot more satisfaction out of thinking about everybody else burning in Hell".Squirt said:
I do not get satisfaction out of the idea, infact it concerns me greatly as most of my friends and much of my family is not Christian. It is one of the hardest parts of Christianity for me to comprehend yet i do not just pretend the Bible dosnt teach it, i dont just grab hold of false doctrines which came about 1800 years after Christ in an effort to ease my mind. Christ made it clear "few will find it", if thats to tough for you to accept then dont accept it but dont pretend that the bible dosnt teach it.
