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White Privilege Conference

Curious George

Veteran Member
yes. Socio-economic tops the lists with respect to correlation with "negative" things.

However, this does not mean that poor white people do not have white privilege.

edit* I wrote no, but I meant yes. Guess I should have quoted the actual question. though privilege is impossible to quantify completely, and therefore comparing one privilege to another doesn't quite make sense, from the most objective view, I think a white person of the lowest socio-economic class faces larger disadvantages than a rich person of a minority race.

Sorry, for any confusion.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
So....anyone?

Ethnicity is not the only kind of privilege. Cynthia and Curious George already answered this question. Economic privilege is more significant, but that simple fact doesn't necessitate that racial privilege does not exist, or is not also significant.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Ethnicity is not the only kind of privilege. Cynthia and Curious George already answered this question. Economic privilege is more significant, but that simple fact doesn't necessitate that racial privilege does not exist, or is not also significant.

I should also note that privileges based on immutable characteristics, such as gender or race, are more vile, even though they may, in our current society disadvantage one less than privileges based on variables that can change.
 

Apex

Somewhere Around Nothing
Ethnicity is not the only kind of privilege. Cynthia and Curious George already answered this question. Economic privilege is more significant, but that simple fact doesn't necessitate that racial privilege does not exist, or is not also significant.
What is the root cause of racial privilege?
 

Slapstick

Active Member
Care to elaborate?
What is the root cause of racial privilege?
I know this wasn't directed towards me, but I feel like responding to this question if you or Alceste don't mind. :)

My guess is it has something to with the horrors and atrocities of slavery in early America. And slavery is a very complex and delicate subject for some people to talk about. So it’s easier to blame white people for having “White Privilege” than to actually have a real debate or discussion on a topic such as slavery, or even child labor and working conditions, not only for early African Americans, but also for many White people in an early capitalistic society. Slavery ended in America long before child labor did. Yet, these are two topics that still exist around the world today in many different countries. You have to think, we had a Revolutionary War, a Civil War, and many progressive movements including a depression to finally end a lot of it. Which I would say gets into a more progressively modern society, where “people of color” begin to actively participate in politics, which is what our founding or guiding principles in this country are based on, people speaking up and being active in the community and even being activist.

All I have to say is life wasn’t easy back then and it is a lot better today than it was 50+ years ago. One race, or group of people has just as much of an opportunity in this country as the next and at the end of the day we are all Americans, and it’s also based on the choices people decide to make with their life. People can choose to sit on the side line and call foul when there wasn’t or isn’t one or they can get involved and make something happen in a positive way, which is what this “White Privilege” argument fails to do and why I view it as an argument from ignorance. Because their talking points are factually incorrect and it’s more like a Christian / White person (who they considered privileged) hate group.

Hmm I would add more, but I would just end up repeating myself.
 
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freethinker44

Well-Known Member
I wasn't thinking of those.
A friend's son got free tuition, room & board because of low income.
In my book, that's a whole lotta money.....er....."privilege".

How? I had to join the military for that, and we were definitely low income. Even now all I qualify for is the pell grant.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I know this wasn't directed towards me, but I feel like responding to this question if you or Alceste don't mind. :)

My guess is it has something to with the horrors and atrocities of slavery in early America. And slavery is a very complex and delicate subject for some people to talk about. So it’s easier to blame white people for having “White Privilege” than to actually have a real debate or discussion on a topic such as slavery, or even child labor and working conditions, not only for early African Americans, but also for many White people in an early capitalistic society. Slavery ended in America long before child labor did. Yet, these are two topics that still exist around the world today in many different countries. You have to think, we had a Revolutionary War, a Civil War, and many progressive movements including a depression to finally end a lot of it. Which I would say gets into a more progressively modern society, where “people of color” begin to actively participate in politics, which is what our founding or guiding principles in this country are based on, people speaking up and being active in the community and even being activist.

All I have to say is life wasn’t easy back then and it is a lot better today than it was 50+ years ago. One race, or group of people has just as much of an opportunity in this country as the next and at the end of the day we are all Americans, and it’s also based on the choices people decide to make with their life. People can choose to sit on the side line and call foul when there wasn’t or isn’t one or they can get involved and make something happen in a positive way, which is what this “White Privilege” argument fails to do and why I view it as an argument from ignorance. Because their talking points are factually incorrect and it’s more like a Christian / White person (who they considered privileged) hate group.

Hmm I would add more, but I would just end up repeating myself.

Not a good guess at my thoughts, but thanks for sharing your own.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
How? I had to join the military for that, and we were definitely low income. Even now all I qualify for is the pell grant.
He said the trick is to have a really crappy income, get the kid to apply for $$$$, & then it happens.
It's all foreign to me...we just gave the kids each a a boatload of $$$$, & they spent it at the sucker rate
(full price tuition & housing).
 

Slapstick

Active Member
Ah, right. I misread what you meant by "having a go" at the question.
No, it was my personal opinion or contribution to the discussion (debate). I wasn't trying to respond for you, but give a response to Apex, based on his inquisitive question. I would never try to speak for someone else when they speak for themselves.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
I know this wasn't directed towards me, but I feel like responding to this question if you or Alceste don't mind. :)

My guess is it has something to with the horrors and atrocities of slavery in early America. And slavery is a very complex and delicate subject for some people to talk about. So it’s easier to blame white people for having “White Privilege” than to actually have a real debate or discussion on a topic such as slavery, or even child labor and working conditions, not only for early African Americans, but also for many White people in an early capitalistic society. Slavery ended in America long before child labor did. Yet, these are two topics that still exist around the world today in many different countries. You have to think, we had a Revolutionary War, a Civil War, and many progressive movements including a depression to finally end a lot of it. Which I would say gets into a more progressively modern society, where “people of color” begin to actively participate in politics, which is what our founding or guiding principles in this country are based on, people speaking up and being active in the community and even being activist.

All I have to say is life wasn’t easy back then and it is a lot better today than it was 50+ years ago. One race, or group of people has just as much of an opportunity in this country as the next and at the end of the day we are all Americans, and it’s also based on the choices people decide to make with their life. People can choose to sit on the side line and call foul when there wasn’t or isn’t one or they can get involved and make something happen in a positive way, which is what this “White Privilege” argument fails to do and why I view it as an argument from ignorance. Because their talking points are factually incorrect and it’s more like a Christian / White person (who they considered privileged) hate group.

Hmm I would add more, but I would just end up repeating myself.

So, I am getting the impression you do not understand the argument.
 

Slapstick

Active Member
So, I am getting the impression you do not understand the argument.
Is this suppose to be a rebuttal? I see no reason to make excuses for biggoted hate speech. I would like to hear your excuse for white privilege theory being a legitimate theory. That means when you explain a theory you need to have facts and proof to back up your argument. Not a statement "Im getting the impression..." blah blah blah when you havent added anything to the debate. So I will be waiting for you to enlighten me and everyone else.
 
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Alceste

Vagabond
So I will be waiting for you to enlighten me and everyone else.
No you won't. Your mind is already firmly made up, and you arrived at that point without ever having looked up what is meant by white privilege.

You will be waiting to reject whatever we say and repeat your claim that noticing systemic unfairness toward minorities is racism against white people.

What good do you think it would do any of us for people who understand what is meant by privilege to explain it to you?
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
No you won't. Your mind is already firmly made up, and you arrived at that point without ever having looked up what is meant by white privilege.

You will be waiting to reject whatever we say and repeat your claim that noticing systemic unfairness toward minorities is racism against white people.

What good do you think it would do any of us for people who understand what is meant by privilege to explain it to you?
So... if folks don't buy into the narrative, for whatever reason, it isn't because it is a weak narrative, but rather due to their inability/refusal to appreciate the brilliance of the narrative's deep understanding of these complex social issues. Gotcha.
 
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