New image released on noahs ark?

Popeyesays · Mar 10, 2006

FFH said:
Gen. 7: 19

" And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered."

The Ark is a metaphor and has nothing to do with a world-wide flood. I can quote my scripture: "If religious beliefs and opinions are found contrary to the standards of science they are mere superstitions and imaginations; for the antithesis of knowledge is ignorance, and the child of ignorance is superstition."
(Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 240)

And please be aware that I truly believe there was a great Prophet named Noah and He bore a message to His people sometime in the past.

Regards,
Scott

FFH · Mar 10, 2006

MdmSzdWhtGuy said:
Ahh well that clears it all up, doesn't it? Somebody whole heartedly beleives it, so it must be true.

B.

They have already explored the sight where the ark lays on Mt, Ararat, and have taken pieces of gopher wood from the ark. Snow and ice covered it after the last expedition to the ark, and pushed it further down the mountain from where it was originally found. It is only now that the snow and ice has melted enough to view it, because of the glacier that pushed it further down the mountain and covered it after the last expedition to that sight. Global warming will further melt the ice and snow, and it will be more fully exposed in the future.

wezz_975 · Mar 10, 2006

eh, I think even if they did find a boat and slapped Noah's name on it it wouldn't change my viewpoints on Genesis, or anything in the Bible. And I agree with DarkWaldo, it still wouldn't prove anything, it would be just a boat. It's as hard for me to believe the bible as it is that there was actually a girl named Alice and she actually went down a rabbit hole.

MdmSzdWhtGuy · Mar 10, 2006

Oh really? And from what tree does gopher wood come? This is a subject I have always been quite interested in. Will be fascinating to see what wood existed 4,000 years ago with the tensile strength of titanium.

B.

kevmicsmi · Mar 10, 2006

wezz_975 said:
eh, I think even if they did find a boat and slapped Noah's name on it it wouldn't change my viewpoints on Genesis, or anything in the Bible. And I agree with DarkWaldo, it still wouldn't prove anything, it would be just a boat. It's as hard for me to believe the bible as it is that there was actually a girl named Alice and she actually went down a rabbit hole.

IF it were true, praytell how would a gigantic boat get ontop of a mountain absent a huge world wide flood?

FFH · Mar 10, 2006

Gopher wood has already been taken from the ark on that very site, further up, where it used to lay. Gopher wood will again be found on that site, in the future, if the Turkish government will let explorers back into that area.

Funny, trees don't grow at that altitude.

How could anyone haul that much wood, up to that altitude, and build a ship that size ?????

waacman · Mar 10, 2006

MdmSzdWhtGuy said:
And from what tree does gopher wood come?
B.

the gopher tree, of course!

Popeyesays · Mar 10, 2006

FFH said:
They have already explored the sight where the ark lays on Mt, Ararat, and have taken pieces of gopher wood from the ark. Snow and ice covered it after the last expedition to the ark, and pushed it further down the mountain from where it was originally found. It is only now that the snow and ice has melted enough to view it, because of the glacier that pushed it further down the mountain and covered it after the last expedition to that sight. Global warming will further melt the ice and snow, and it will be more fully exposed in the future.

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Given all the ground and aerial expeditions (and one with sophisticated mapping capabilities), one should surmise that if the remains of Noah's Ark are indeed on Mount Ararat, they are not in plain view; if the boat is there, it must be buried. There have been 2 attempts that used sub-surface Radar (Ground Penetrating Radar - GPR) technology on Mount Ararat to look under the ice. The 1988 Willis expedition and the 1989 Aaron/Garbe/Corbin expedition used GPR. The 1988 Willis expedition successfully surveyed the eastern summit plateau and the saddle area between the two peaks, concluding there were no Ark remains under the ice. The 1989 expedition was not as successful as the preceding year, where a less-capable GPR system was used in temperate (melting) ice cap conditions on the western plateau of Mount Ararat. However, they were able to determine the ice depth on the western plateau and scale the size of the Ark.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If the remains of Noah's Ark were in moving ice on Mount Ararat (there is only one legitimate glacier, the Black Glacier, though there are other moving ice flows like the so-called Parrot Glacier), the Ark would have been ground to bits. " http://www.noahsarksearch.com/ararat.htm[/FONT]

Other potential sites include Drupinar which is a village near some hills where supposedly someone saw one end of a house sticking out the mountain and Mt. Cudi, which is the mountain named in the Qur'an for the landing place of the ark. Its on Mt. Cudi that your wood was carbon dated to about 4500 B.C. but there is no indication the wood had anything to do with a ship.

Regards,

Bishka · Mar 10, 2006

Pah said:
Instead of more pictures, why isn't there an undertaking to bringing back a piece of the wood? I'm sure it could be dated by some means or another but I don't know there is consensus on how old it should be.

This reminds me of something, the wood comment. I don't think anyone will actually find the wood. I was reading this book once and this author had done extensive research on saints bodies, christs cross and different things people claimed belonged to holy beings.

In his research, in Italy alone, he said in the book, that he found enough wood from Jesus's original cross alone to build the entire Italian Navy.

LOL Not sure if this has anything to do with the topic but it seemed releveant at the time.

waacman · Mar 10, 2006

Personally, I think the pictures are a stretch to say that its Noah's Ark. In my earlier years I used to think these types of expeditions were exciting, not only b/c it would validate the Bible at least somewhat, but now I see that no matter what is found it wouldn't change peoples minds at all. These types of supposed mythical artifacts are interesting to me, another one would be the Ark of the Covenant

BUDDY · Mar 10, 2006

Popeyesays said:
The PEAK of Ararat is 16,850 feet. The Ararat Anomaly is at 15,500 feet. That is about 2.9 miles above sea level. Are you seriously contending that this "flood" raised the sea level that much?

First of all, there are two mount Ararats. One is indeed 16,945 feet at its peak, the second is only 12,877 feet at its peak.

Secondly, no one knows how large the peak was in ancient times because it is volcanic and very possibly could have changed a lot from then until now.

Thirdly, the entire region is know as Ararat, so just because a mountain in Ararat is named as the possible landing spot of Noah's ark, doesn't mean it actually landed on that particular mountain. "and in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark came to rest upon the mountains of Ararat." (Genesis 8:1-4 RSV)

Finally, if the Noah story is true (which I believe it is based on actual events, but not precisely as indicated in biblical accounts) and the ark is still in existence, I doubt that, 1) we will ever find it, and 2) if we do it will be on a that particular mountain.

Harvster · Mar 10, 2006

I never intended to mean belief in the whole bible simply the Genesis account of Noah but you still answered my question so thanks. I personally think that there is some sort of object up there simply because it is a complete break in the natural ridge line but I fully agree with most that an expidition should be done to solve this 'mystery' once and for all.

Thought I might through this one in as well which I think has merit and it would be interesting to see the final results of the carbon dating. The article mentions a different location of the ark to that which Popeyesays mentions. http://www.farshores.org/a06ark.htm

:biglaugh:flying whale:biglaugh:

Harvster · Mar 10, 2006

MdmSzdWhtGuy said:
Oh really? And from what tree does gopher wood come? This is a subject I have always been quite interested in. Will be fascinating to see what wood existed 4,000 years ago with the tensile strength of titanium.

I must I found this quite amusing, how would Noah have cut down such a tree with an axe:areyoucra

Popeyesays · Mar 10, 2006

There probably never was such a thing as "Gopher Wood". The Hebrew letter for G and the letter for K are differentiated by a tiny tail on the "K". So it was probably Kofer wood, "kofer" being bitumen used to coat wood to protect it from damp - kind of like creosote is used today. Bitumen is a product made from tar, naptha, oil seeped from the ground. Creosote is a bush but it does not grow in Africa as far as I know.

Regards,
Scott

Harvster · Mar 10, 2006

Popeyesays said:
There probably never was such a thing as "Gopher Wood". The Hebrew letter for G and the letter for K are differentiated by a tiny tail on the "K". So it was probably Kofer wood, "kofer" being bitumen used to coat wood to protect it from damp - kind of like creosote is used today. Bitumen is a product made from tar, naptha, oil seeped from the ground. Creosote is a bush but it does not grow in Africa as far as I know.

Why would the bible in Gen.6:14 state to make an ark of gopher wood.... and cover it inside and out with pitch if the wood as you say was pitch.

Mister_T · Mar 10, 2006

waacman said:
Personally, I think the pictures are a stretch to say that its Noah's Ark. In my earlier years I used to think these types of expeditions were exciting, not only b/c it would validate the Bible at least somewhat, but now I see that no matter what is found it wouldn't change peoples minds at all. These types of supposed mythical artifacts are interesting to me, another one would be the Ark of the Covenant

Booya! Indiana Jones style!

lunamoth · Mar 10, 2006

Halcyon said:
Modern imaging software has allowed scientists to reconstruct what they believe Noahs arc would have looked like, from these satellite images;

EDIT: In case you were wondering, the 2004 is the factor by which Noah had to shrink the animals to get them all on there. Those sauropods still took up a lot of room though.

Oh my. That is way too funny. Too bad I already used up my frubals on your earlier post, which was also dead on.

lunamoth

MdmSzdWhtGuy · Mar 11, 2006

Again, no gopher tree, no gopher wood, no wooden boat could possibly be made to hold anywhere near the volume of a breeding population of every animal on the planet, nowhere for the water to come from, or go to, to cover the entire land mass of the earth, no way to raise worldwide sea levels by 6 plus miles, even if you could, the air pressure would crush mammalian lungs, all vegetation such as trees would have been killed by a 10 to 11 month long global flood (remember the dove coming back with a branch?) absolutely no evidence of a worldwide flood in the geographical record. . . .

yeah, a literal Noahic flood. . . if only there weren't any holes in that theory? . ? . ? . ?

Guys, I got this bridge for sale, . . . . make you a real good bargain on it.

B.

FFH · Mar 12, 2006

www.noahsarksearch.com/ararat.htm

Looks like this site, posted by Popeyesays, has links to just about every photo taken, and every drawing done, as a result of the many Noah's ark expeditions and sightings, on Mt. Ararat.

Here is a drawing of what it used to look like before the glacier covered it, and damaged it.

Popeyesays · Mar 12, 2006

Unfortunately such a floaing cigar box would not stand the stress if made of wood. It is too long and torsion would be too much for the hull to maintain integrity. On land being built it would collapse, at sea in any kind of wave action it would twist itself apart.

Modern naval architects have looked at the problem and postulated as to what might actually WORK given the dimensions and bitumen treated planks. But it would be much pointier and have no traditional rib construction.

Regards,
Scott

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