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Jesus Vs. Yahweh

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Mighty Mouse would beat Batman up oneside and down the other.

Oh yeah? Well, what if Batman had one of those huge, big super soak squirt guns and it was filled with green goop from an alien civilization that on contact turned rodents into pizza stuffed cream pies? Huh? What about then?
 

AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
Oh yeah? Well, what if Batman had one of those huge, big super soak squirt guns and it was filled with green goop from an alien civilization that on contact turned rodents into pizza stuffed cream pies? Huh? What about then?

Oh come on. The rat can fly! And he's fast. He'd whip in there and wrap that soaker gun around Batman's pointy ears before the guy could even get it loaded.
 

Amechania

Daimona of the Helpless
What's up with Batman anyway? Spiderman spins webs and has spidey-sense. He can climb walls, etc. Batman can't fly. He can't even echo-locate. "Here I come to save the day. Fake bat is on the way!"
 

AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
What's up with Batman anyway? Spiderman spins webs and has spidey-sense. He can climb walls, etc. Batman can't fly. He can't even echo-locate. "Here I come to save the day. Fake bat is on the way!"

Mysteriousness is his main superpower, I think.

He shoulda gone with invulnerability. Everybody knows that.
 

Pastek

Sunni muslim
So who do you think would win in a fight, Jesus or Yahweh?

Here we have Yahweh:

"The rabble with them began to crave other food, and again the Israelites started wailing and said, “If only we had meat to eat! We remember the fish we ate in Egypt at no cost"" Numbers 11:4-5

"And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.

And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died
." Number 21:5-6

So kids, the lesson is if you ask Yahweh for fish or complain about hunger, Yahweh will give you serpents.

Here is what Jesus said about that:

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

Jesus implies that only someone who is totally evil would give their child serpents when they asked for fish.

Here is Yahweh again:

"Elijah answered the captain, “If I am a man of God, may fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty men!” Then fire fell from heaven and consumed the captain and his men.

At this the king sent to Elijah another captain with his fifty men. The captain said to him, “Man of God, this is what the king says, ‘Come down at once!’”

“If I am a man of God,” Elijah replied, “may fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty men!” Then the fire of God fell from heaven and consumed him and his fifty men." - 2 Kings 1: 10-12

And here is Jesus on that issue:

"When the time was coming near for Jesus to depart , he was determined to go to Jerusalem He sent some messengers ahead of him, who went into a town in Samaria to make everything ready for him. But the people there would not welcome him, because he was set on going to Jerusalem. When James and John, followers of Jesus, saw this, they said, “Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven and destroy those people?”

But Jesus turned and scolded them. And Jesus said, “You don’t know what kind of spirit you belong to. The Son of Man did not come to destroy the lives of people but to save them.” Then they went to another town." Luke 5: 51-56

Jesus thought it was more than just a dick move to murder people with fire down from heaven just because they did not believe the same things as you did. But for Yahweh, he has no problem with burning you to death with sky fire if you do not believe in him.

I really don't see Jesus and Yahweh seeing eye to eye on much in the Bible, they are not even on the same page, it looks like they contrast each other and that Jesus opposes everything that Yahweh stands for. Face it they are not on the same team but at opposite ends of the field.

So who do you think would win a fight, Jesus or Yahweh?

The verses must be put in context.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
So what kind of sword are you holding out for in Jesus' Great Sword Giveaway?

I want a katana.

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..And with nuclear or atomic bombs, we can continue to rain down fire on our enemies!
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
So who do you think would win in a fight, Jesus or Yahweh?

Here we have Yahweh:

"The rabble with them began to crave other food, and again the Israelites started wailing and said, “If only we had meat to eat! We remember the fish we ate in Egypt at no cost"" Numbers 11:4-5

"And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.

And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died." Number 21:5-6

So kids, the lesson is if you ask Yahweh for fish or complain about hunger, Yahweh will give you serpents.

Here is what Jesus said about that:

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

Jesus implies that only someone who is totally evil would give their child serpents when they asked for fish.

Here is Yahweh again:

"Elijah answered the captain, “If I am a man of God, may fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty men!” Then fire fell from heaven and consumed the captain and his men.

At this the king sent to Elijah another captain with his fifty men. The captain said to him, “Man of God, this is what the king says, ‘Come down at once!’”

“If I am a man of God,” Elijah replied, “may fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty men!” Then the fire of God fell from heaven and consumed him and his fifty men." - 2 Kings 1: 10-12

And here is Jesus on that issue:

"When the time was coming near for Jesus to depart , he was determined to go to Jerusalem He sent some messengers ahead of him, who went into a town in Samaria to make everything ready for him. But the people there would not welcome him, because he was set on going to Jerusalem. When James and John, followers of Jesus, saw this, they said, “Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven and destroy those people?”

But Jesus turned and scolded them. And Jesus said, “You don’t know what kind of spirit you belong to. The Son of Man did not come to destroy the lives of people but to save them.” Then they went to another town." Luke 5: 51-56

Jesus thought it was more than just a dick move to murder people with fire down from heaven just because they did not believe the same things as you did. But for Yahweh, he has no problem with burning you to death with sky fire if you do not believe in him.

I really don't see Jesus and Yahweh seeing eye to eye on much in the Bible, they are not even on the same page, it looks like they contrast each other and that Jesus opposes everything that Yahweh stands for. Face it they are not on the same team but at opposite ends of the field.

So who do you think would win a fight, Jesus or Yahweh?
You have taken the passages out of context, but let's look of some of the love passages from the christian bible.

Luke 19

27"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."

So jesus was saying that either the person worships me or kill them. I don't feel the love.

More anti-semitice passages from the christian bible

“The children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 8.12)

“He that believeth not shall be damned” (Mark 16.16)


“Stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so you do. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers” (Acts 7.51-53)

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The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.” (l Thessalonians 2.14-16)
“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is an antichrist, that denieth the father and the son. Whoever denieth the son, the same hath not the father” (l John 2.22,23)

“I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan ...” (Revelation 2.9,10)

Let's us not forget the millions of jews murdered by christians simply beause they were jews.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Inquisition.html

Blaming the Jews for the Black Death Plague

Pogroms | Jewish Virtual Library
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
You have taken the passages out of context, but let's look of some of the love passages from the christian bible.

Luke 19

27"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."

So jesus was saying that either the person worships me or kill them. I don't feel the love.

Nope. Jesus is telling a parable in Luke 19, you might be unfamiliar with the concept but a parable is a didactic narrative using figurative language. The point of the particular parable is like the parable of the shrewd manager, it to show us how corrupt and twisted the world is, the ruler in that parable isn't a figure of Jesus but of a figure of Yahweh.


Here is Yahweh:

"And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.

And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."


and here is Jesus:

"And Jesus said unto them, The sabbath was made for man,
and not man for the sabbath" - Mark 2:27

"And He said unto them, “Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath days, or to do evil? To save life, or to kill?” But they held their peace." - Mark 3:4

In Yahweh's world if you break one arbitrary rule regarding days special to him, you are subject to death no matter what. No matter if you are gathering sticks to start a fire to keep warm or cook some food because you are hungry. No mercy and no quarter given. Jesus is very different, he believes that the sabbath is for the benefit of man and implies that it is an awful and horrible thing to stone a man on sabbath.
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
Yanno...I kind of love how some christians are very quick to take jewish scripture out of context, twist it around, however, when confronted with stuff in their own scripture, they go WAIT WAIT WAIT, it's a parable and all of a sudden they work hard to rationalize it away.

However, they are expert on jewish scritupures.:rolleyes:
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
Nope. Jesus is telling a parable in Luke 19, you might be unfamiliar with the concept but a parable is a didactic narrative using figurative language. The point of the particular parable is like the parable of the shrewd manager, it to show us how corrupt and twisted the world is, the ruler in that parable isn't a figure of Jesus but of a figure of Yahweh.


Here is Yahweh:

"And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.

And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

and here is Jesus:

"And Jesus said unto them, The sabbath was made for man,
and not man for the sabbath" - Mark 2:27

"And He said unto them, “Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath days, or to do evil? To save life, or to kill?” But they held their peace." - Mark 3:4

In Yahweh's world if you break one arbitrary rule regarding days special to him, you are subject to death no matter what. No matter if you are gathering sticks to start a fire to keep warm or cook some food because you are hungry. No mercy and no quarter given. Jesus is very different, he believes that the sabbath is for the benefit of man and implies that it is an awful and horrible thing to stone a man on sabbath.

Actually here is jesus' world.

Either make jesus your king and accept his rulership over you or be slain.


Luke 19

27"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
In Yahweh's world if you break one arbitrary rule regarding days special to him, you are subject to death no matter what. No matter if you are gathering sticks to start a fire to keep warm or cook some food because you are hungry. No mercy and no quarter given. Jesus is very different, he believes that the sabbath is for the benefit of man and implies that it is an awful and horrible thing to stone a man on sabbath.

Not arbitrary.
The purpose of the Laws is something that is beneficial for the person and furthers G-d's plans for the world at the same time. Cooking something because you haven't even since breakfast, although temporarily beneficial, is ultimately harmful to the person and the world.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Not arbitrary.
The purpose of the Laws is something that is beneficial for the person and furthers G-d's plans for the world at the same time. Cooking something because you haven't even since breakfast, although temporarily beneficial, is ultimately harmful to the person and the world.


You apply it to the world? Who's responsible for finding and stoning all these Sabbath-breaking dead men?
 

Thana

Lady
So who do you think would win a fight, Jesus or Yahweh?

Okay so, this is just my interpretation but.. Jesus and Yahweh are the same.

Yahweh did His own thing, And Jesus lead by example.
In other words, God did God stuff, Jesus did stuff to teach us.

For example - God can kill a bunch of guys, But Jesus in effect, Said that isn't for us to decide.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Yanno...I kind of love how some christians are very quick to take jewish scripture out of context, twist it around, however, when confronted with stuff in their own scripture, they go WAIT WAIT WAIT, it's a parable and all of a sudden they work hard to rationalize it away.

However, they are expert on jewish scritupures.:rolleyes:

Mike, truthfully I have no bone to pick with Judaism...at all. This is just about the contrasts between Jesus and Yahweh. My Op is more aimed at Christians. If you want to worship Yahweh then more power to you , but I am not trying to criticize your religion. But I want you to understand that my tradition sees Yahweh as the Demiurge.
 
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