A request for a Sanatana Dharma DIR- Dharmic and Staff members Only

ratikala · Apr 29, 2014

namaskaram Ravi ji :namaste

Ravi500 said:
And my own request, is as I had stated in an earlier post....

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3737623-post2.html

I believe adherence to this itself, will go a long way in ensuring order and harmony in the forum, both Hinduism and Vedanta, in the present and future as well.

''I simply want a forum where Sanatana Dharma , as is taught in India is discussed , without the basics being challenged. ''

I too would be so happy to discuss with you how your guru teaches and compair to how mine teaches , as through such humility we might learn to depen our understanding and appreciation :namaste

You can argue/debate on advanced points in the debate forums, but when the foundational basics of the religion itself are being challenged in the dir forum, it is a sure recipe for chaos and conflict, now and in the future as well.

I am begining to deeply fear that this tendancy to refute rather than discuss is will lead to the eventual decline of the Hinduism that people think that they are trying to preserve !

Aupmanyav · Apr 29, 2014

Why do you fear discussions? They are like wrestling. They make the body of dharma strong. See, how many discussions Buddha was involved in or the sages of Hinduism.

Ravi500 · Apr 29, 2014

Aupmanyav said:
Why do you fear discussions? They are like wrestling. They make the body of dharma strong. See, how many discussions Buddha was involved in or the sages of Hinduism.

Nothing wrong with discussions. They are more similar to friendly sharing of ideas .

Debate is wrestling, and should be done in the same faith forums.

My point here, is that advanced points can be argued in the debate forums. Basics should not be challenged in the discussion forums as that can make the forum conflict prone and chaotic.

Sumit · Apr 29, 2014

Aupmanyav said:
Why do you fear discussions? They are like wrestling. They make the body of dharma strong. See, how many discussions Buddha was involved in or the sages of Hinduism.

Agree, Occasional debates or discussions are necessary. But there are certain things that cannot be proved by debating, even if they are true.

ratikala · Apr 29, 2014

namaskaram :namaste

sadly here there is no love of discussion , nor for glorification of the lord

only en ever deepening chasm of missunderstanding between the Jnanis and the Bhaktas

when will it be realised that both are the ornament of the other ....

Jnana alone as sung by shankaracharya is nothing but dry speculation

thus he sung ... Bhaja Govindam Baja Govindam

O deluded minded friend, chant Govinda, worship Govinda, love Govinda as there is no other way to cross the life's ocean except lovingly remembering the holy names of God.॥33॥

Poeticus · Apr 29, 2014

Aupmanyav said:
Why do you fear discussions? They are like wrestling. They make the body of dharma strong. See, how many discussions Buddha was involved in or the sages of Hinduism.

Sumit said:
Agree, Occasional debates or discussions are necessary. But there are certain things that cannot be proved by debating, even if they are true.

I fail to see why we
are even having this
conversation.

Ravi500 · Apr 29, 2014

ratikala said:
namaskaram :namaste

sadly here there is no love of discussion , nor for glorification of the lord

only en ever deepening chasm of missunderstanding between the Jnanis and the Bhaktas

I humbly disagree with you over here, dear Ratikalaji. :namaste

As a jnani I have never misunderstood the bhaktas, and have stated my interest in the bhakta culture, as is evident from my posts.

I don't think any of the genuine jnanis too have opposed the bhaktas over here, from what I have seen and read.

I myself am striving to follow an integral synthesis of jnana and bhakta.

I hope that when the present chaos ends and the forum is restructured in a more stable and orderly form, peace will reign and I will be able to converse and enjoy bhakta posts to hearts content.

ratikala · Apr 29, 2014

namaskaram :namaste

Aupmanyav said:
Why do you fear discussions? They are like wrestling. They make the body of dharma strong. See, how many discussions Buddha was involved in or the sages of Hinduism.

jai jai , to discuss with a mind open to learning sets us appart from animals ,

to endlessly argue and refute is deffensivness indicative of animalistic behavior .

we must learn to discriminate between that which is fruitfull and that which is fruitless

Poeticus · Apr 29, 2014

Poeticus said:
I fail to see why we
are even having this
conversation.

And the point being this:

Compare the amount of threads on bhakti and Vedanta with the
amount of threads on karma-kanda and the Veda-s and Mimamsa.
In fact, it's practically non-existent. I made countless attempts to start
up discussions on the theological aspects of karma-kanda and the
Vedas, all which never really took flight. The amount of theological
interest among Hindus regarding the Vedas is so low that it is practically
mind-boggling.

And because of this, it has basically become a point of non-interest to
even engage in fruitful dialogue. The Vedas are the foundations of our
dharma, folks. The greatest amount of conversations should be on the
intricacies of the Trayi-Vedas. There should be a metaphorical and
allegorical representation of a Hotri, Adhvaryu, Udgatri, and the
Overseer present in the HinduDIR forum. But there isn't. There is only
me and KT. Heck, both of us have become so distraught with the lack
of Vedic understanding on the forum that we have basically stopped
talking about Vedic Theology pretty much altogether.

In other words, the last thing Hindus should be contesting about is
whether the name, Hindu, is applicable or whether the term, Sanatana,
is better, and related topics. That really should be the last thing being
discussed.

Ravi500 · Apr 29, 2014

Poeticus said:
And the point being this:
Compare the amount of threads on bhakti and Vedanta with the
amount of threads on karma-kanda and the Veda-s and Mimamsa.
In fact, it's practically non-existent. I made countless attempts to start
up discussions on the theological aspects of karma-kanda and the
Vedas, all which never really took flight. The amount of theological
interest among Hindus regarding the Vedas is so low that it is practically
mind-boggling.

And because of this, it has basically become a point of non-interest to
even engage in fruitful dialogue. The Vedas are the foundations of our
dharma, folks. The greatest amount of conversations should be on the
intricacies of the Trayi-Vedas. There should be a metaphorical and
allegorical representation of a Hotri, Adhvaryu, Udgatri, and the
Overseer present in the HinduDIR forum. But there isn't. There is only
me and KT. Heck, both of us have become so distraught with the lack
of Vedic understanding on the forum that we have basically stopped
talking about Vedic Theology pretty much altogether.

In other words, the last thing Hindus should be contesting about is
whether the name, Hindu, is applicable or whether the term, Sanatana,
is better, and related topics. That really should be the last thing being
discussed.

I would say that a reason for the lack of interest could be that some of the sanskrit terms and terminology used are not well understood. You could, as LuisDantas suggested, prepare a glossary of the terms used in karma-kanda, Mimamsa so that Hindus of other traditions, as well as outsiders can understand the concept well.

ratikala · Apr 29, 2014

namaskaram ravi ji :namaste

Ravi500 said:
I humbly disagree with you over here, dear Ratikalaji. :namaste

your Humility does you credit :namaste

As a jnani I have never misunderstood the bhaktas, and have stated my interest in the bhakta culture, as is evident from my posts.

I have never missunderstood that Fact and I aplaude you time and time over , you bear the ornament of both Jnana and Bhakti , if only there were freedom to discuss the glories of both I would be more than content .....

I don't think any of the genuine jnanis too have opposed the bhaktas over here, from what I have seen and read.

jai jai , my remark come of sadness and is not aimed at those who are genuine but at those who heckle for the sake of it .

I myself am striving to follow an integral synthesis of jnana and bhakta.

I hope that when the present chaos ends and the forum is restructured in a more stable and orderly form, peace will reign and I will be able to converse and enjoy bhakta posts to hearts content.

I too look forward to the day when the turmiol from within subsides .:namaste

satyam eva jayate :namaste

Elector · Apr 29, 2014

ratikala said:
namaskaram

Pranams,

Elector ji

Just "Elector", will do

I respect your views... however I am not too fond of this universalist approach to Hinduism. Yes, there has been some strife between some members on sectarian matters; however, separating Hinduism from its traditions and scriptures is not the solution. In my opinion, a more beneficial solution would be to increase mutual respect and tolerance.

Ravi500 · Apr 29, 2014

Elector said:
I respect your views... however I am not too fond of this universalist approach to Hinduism. Yes, there has been some strife between some members on sectarian matters; however, separating Hinduism from its traditions and scriptures is not the solution. In my opinion, a more beneficial solution would be to increase mutual respect and tolerance.

Namaste Elector,

Yes, as long as an exclusivist tone of birth and race is not put in the forum,along with unnecessary verbal criticism of established masters and saints in Hinduism, I would say that the beneficial solution for differences in viewpoints would be to increase mutual respect and tolerance.

Regards,

Ravi :namaste

LuisDantas · Apr 29, 2014

Ravi500 said:
I would say that a reason for the lack of interest could be that some of the sanskrit terms and terminology used are not well understood. You could, as LuisDantas suggested, prepare a glossary of the terms used in karma-kanda, Mimamsa so that Hindus of other traditions, as well as outsiders can understand the concept well.

I think this is a good enough idea that I want to spend some time working on it.

Please feel all invited to post here:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/dharmic-religions-dir/162352-rfs-dharmic-glossary.html

Ravi500 · Apr 29, 2014

ratikala said:
I too look forward to the day when the turmiol from within subsides .:namaste

I agree wholeheartedly. :namaste

ratikala · Apr 29, 2014

namaskaram

Elector said:
Pranams,

Just "Elector", will do

I agree with you entirely that the only solution is tolerance and respect .

but for tolerance to work it must listen, .... respecting my veiw and the beging to differ is no true respect .

I respect your views... however I am not too fond of this universalist approach to Hinduism. Yes, there has been some strife between some members on sectarian matters; however, separating Hinduism from its traditions and scriptures is not the solution. In my opinion, a more beneficial solution would be to increase mutual respect and tolerance.

tolerance listens , ....respect takes anothers veiw into consideration

I have not advocated seperating Hinduism from its traditions or from its texts ,

prehaps you missunderstand me ?

Vinayaka · Apr 29, 2014

I tried to read through the entire thread, but I couldn't. It all just seems too petty. I'm sorry. God can't possibly care what our worship of him is called.

zenzero · Apr 29, 2014

Friends Vinayaka,

I tried to read through the entire thread, but I couldn't. It all just seems too petty. I'm sorry. God can't possibly care what our worship of him is called.

One thing that surely is coming out of this thread which is helpful for every human interested in Hinduism is:
as frined LuisDanats has put forward:

I think this is a good enough idea that I want to spend some time working on it.

Please feel all invited to post here:

RF's Dharmic Glossary

Love & rgds

Treks · Apr 29, 2014

* Interested in all "dharmic" ways of life.

Ravi500 · Apr 30, 2014

zenzero said:
Friends Vinayaka,

One thing that surely is coming out of this thread which is helpful for every human interested in Hinduism is:
as frined LuisDanats has put forward:

Love & rgds

Madhuri's new thread-sticky on forum guidelines, is also a positive spinoff of this thread, and which implemented properly, will help to get rid of much of the chaos in the forum and create a much pleasant atmosphere, imho.

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