Yes. On many occassions, Suttas call Buddhist dharma and knowledge as Arya.
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A request for a Sanatana Dharma DIR- Dharmic and Staff members Only
- Thread starter ratikala
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Yes. On many occassions, Suttas call Buddhist dharma and knowledge as Arya.
Kalicharan Tuvij
Ästika
And that is the point.
This is why Arya is preferable over Vaidika, because whereas Vaidika almost with mathematical accuracy draws a clear distinction between our Dharma and the others such as Buddhist etc which Dont follow Veda, on the other hand Arya doesn't bother to be entirely exclusive. This is the true nature of our Dharma, and should remain like this.
I request you go through this page where this fact is clearly explained.
Poeticus
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Kalicharan Tuvij
Ästika
What if I say Arya and Agnitra denote spiritually the same thing?
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram Hinduism♥Krishna :namaste
I think here by ''she'' you are refering to Asha ji ?.....
but may I also pick up on something you say here ....
prabhu ji , here you are making a very bold assumption ....how can you say or assume that conversations that might take place will be narrow minded ???
here you also refer to some sects who Identify with Sanatana Dharma ....and that some sects do not ....then what is the harm in letting those who do identify as Sanatana Dharma hold conversations between them selves without interruption ?
What does this have to do with Hijacking ? or conflict ? ... the conflict here comes from people who want to inforce their beleifs on others and who will not let another person have their veiw or discuss the veiw that they have been taught .
the whole purpose of theis request is to have a quiet place for those that do Identify as Sanatana Dharmi to talk freely amongst them selves without upsetting the general Hindu DIR
Prabhu ji do you realise how upsetting it is to be told that the veivs of your Sampradaya dont count ? or that what one is taught by ones guru is in some way incorect or invalid as per the opinion of Hinduism in general ?
this is a total noncence ... what is spioling Hinduism Dir at the moment and Hijacking many threads are arguments about what constitutes Hinduism , if Athism is valid within Hinduism or not ? and your references to and criticisms of Iskcon do not help .
why do you fear Iskcon so much ? ....why can you not just let them be ? ...of course they are not ''all hinduism '' but neither is your veiw .
and yes ths is my personal veiw , it is not an Iskcon veiw that I am giving , but it is true that many Iskcon devotees do share this veiw , although probaly not all , I do not know . I actualy do not have a lot of contact with Iskcon except through a few friends .
It is also things like this that disrupt and Hijack threads ....
if it is not to your liking then please go away and let others discuss in peace , if you have nothing good to say please do the noble thing and say nothing ,
I just want a peacefull place to discuss my love of Sanatana Dharma .
I think here by ''she'' you are refering to Asha ji ?.....
but may I also pick up on something you say here ....
Hinduism♥Krishna;3740212 said:
prabhu ji , here you are making a very bold assumption ....how can you say or assume that conversations that might take place will be narrow minded ???
here you also refer to some sects who Identify with Sanatana Dharma ....and that some sects do not ....then what is the harm in letting those who do identify as Sanatana Dharma hold conversations between them selves without interruption ?
What does this have to do with Hijacking ? or conflict ? ... the conflict here comes from people who want to inforce their beleifs on others and who will not let another person have their veiw or discuss the veiw that they have been taught .
the whole purpose of theis request is to have a quiet place for those that do Identify as Sanatana Dharmi to talk freely amongst them selves without upsetting the general Hindu DIR
Prabhu ji do you realise how upsetting it is to be told that the veivs of your Sampradaya dont count ? or that what one is taught by ones guru is in some way incorect or invalid as per the opinion of Hinduism in general ?
this is a total noncence ... what is spioling Hinduism Dir at the moment and Hijacking many threads are arguments about what constitutes Hinduism , if Athism is valid within Hinduism or not ? and your references to and criticisms of Iskcon do not help .
why do you fear Iskcon so much ? ....why can you not just let them be ? ...of course they are not ''all hinduism '' but neither is your veiw .
and yes ths is my personal veiw , it is not an Iskcon veiw that I am giving , but it is true that many Iskcon devotees do share this veiw , although probaly not all , I do not know . I actualy do not have a lot of contact with Iskcon except through a few friends .
It is also things like this that disrupt and Hijack threads ....
if it is not to your liking then please go away and let others discuss in peace , if you have nothing good to say please do the noble thing and say nothing ,
I just want a peacefull place to discuss my love of Sanatana Dharma .
Nyingjé Tso
Tänpa Yungdrung zhab pä tän gyur jig
Ah, I was waiting for the "bad westerners" speech.
I'm not done with my faith, never, I am proud to be Hindu and will forever remain so. But with this place ? Yes, I'm done.
good job guys, now do whatever you wish, I have nothing more to say or do here.
I'm not done with my faith, never, I am proud to be Hindu and will forever remain so. But with this place ? Yes, I'm done.
good job guys, now do whatever you wish, I have nothing more to say or do here.
I think this is the best suggestion. Additionally we may also consider three or four streams for dvaita, visistadvaita, advaita, achintya bheda abheda .. etc. And another stream dedicated for scriptures and darsana-s will really be nice.
Ravi500
Active Member
I am grateful for your comments against the wilful misinterpretation of the term Arya in the past.
This is especially serious as many racist movements still use this term to inflict violence on those perceived as different , including Hindus and Indians.
It is one thing when outsiders appropriate one's own religious symbols and terms to create demented separatist and violent ideologies. It is an another thing when Hindus/Indians become victims of such racist violence as well.
It is high time we prevented the appropriation of our cultural symbols and terms for evil purposes.
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Ravi500
Active Member
Yes, but they do they use the same term in a similar way as in Hinduism.
And I have also stated the historical and genetic links of the kashmiris to the jewish people . There are many kashmiris who have stated their jewish origin too. I remember reading such a blog by a kashmiri doctor a few months back.
This is reasonable considering the proximity of Kashmir and Israel around the Silk Route. Ancient jewish tribes fleeing political instability have come to Kashmir a long time back and settled down there adopting the Hindu religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road
This is one of the reasons why the kashmiris are quite distinct in terms of features from the rest of the Indian population.
The issue over here is of using the term Arya as per the scriptural teachings and not as per other reasons, which bring in an exclusivist tone to the Hinduism forum.
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Pranams,
Thank you for your post, it was very enlightening
What prompted me to think this was your statement "...the principles of Sanatana Dharma form the foundation also of other traditions such as Buddhism jainism and sikhi...". My apologies if I misunderstood your intention.
My initial question was merely meant to ask what kind of principles would Sanatana Dharma have which are shared by all Hindu traditions... It seems to me the similarities between all the Hindu sects are minimal, to the point that a forum dealing only with the similarities would be completely redundant.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Dharma is the least common denominator in Hinduism. I do not think anybody will go against that.
Pranams,
True. But is it necessary and logical to create a new forum that is solely dedicated to discussing Dharma?
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram Elector ji :namaste
Thank you for your respnce ,
when I first made the comment "...the principles of Sanatana Dharma form the foundation also of other traditions such as Buddhism jainism and sikhi...".
I was very much thinking of the principles held in common by all Dharmic faiths , I did not for one moment think it would bring about so much dissagreement between Hindus
you say ...
Pranams,
Thank you for your post, it was very enlightening
What prompted me to think this was your statement "...the principles of Sanatana Dharma form the foundation also of other traditions such as Buddhism jainism and sikhi...". My apologies if I misunderstood your intention.
My initial question was merely meant to ask what kind of principles would Sanatana Dharma have which are shared by all Hindu traditions... It seems to me the similarities between all the Hindu sects are minimal, to the point that a forum dealing only with the similarities would be completely redundant.
Thank you for your respnce ,
when I first made the comment "...the principles of Sanatana Dharma form the foundation also of other traditions such as Buddhism jainism and sikhi...".
I was very much thinking of the principles held in common by all Dharmic faiths , I did not for one moment think it would bring about so much dissagreement between Hindus
you say ...
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| abhyAvartin |
ratikala
Istha gosthi
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Initially, I thought there was no need. But then, a DIR for what the dharmic religions consider as 'dharma' may not be a bad idea. It may be termed as 'Dharma' DIR. The word 'Sanatana' is too closely associated with Hinduism, though all would agree that 'dharma' is sanatana, forever. It can be a fith DIR under the Dharmic Religions DIR along with Hindu, Jain, Buddhism, and Sikhism DIRS, so that nobody feels slighted or compelled to become a part of what they may not be a part of. But the decision depends on what Mods and RF may want to do and what is conveniently possible.
I have a simple suggestion for the Hinduism DIR. Make the blue DIR into 'Hindu - devotional'; and make the green 'Vedanta' DIR into 'Hindu - discussions'.
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Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
But what is wrong with the
current setup ? There is already
a Dharmic Religions DIR. It is
made exactly for the purposes of
the above.
current setup ? There is already
a Dharmic Religions DIR. It is
made exactly for the purposes of
the above.
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
Rta-m is the central tenet of the agnitra, the conduct of the
yajna. It is the conduction of the yajna that helps 'sustain'
Rta-m. This concept is not 'sustained' by ways that are
of an-agnitra. Furthermore, to acknowledge the existence
of Rta-m, one must acknowledge the existence of the Dual
Ordinance that is Mitra-Varuna, the very epitomizing of Satya-Rta,
respectively. It ceases being Rta-m outside of the Vedic paradigm.
yajna. It is the conduction of the yajna that helps 'sustain'
Rta-m. This concept is not 'sustained' by ways that are
of an-agnitra. Furthermore, to acknowledge the existence
of Rta-m, one must acknowledge the existence of the Dual
Ordinance that is Mitra-Varuna, the very epitomizing of Satya-Rta,
respectively. It ceases being Rta-m outside of the Vedic paradigm.
iti śruteḥ: thus it is revealed
Ravi500
Active Member
And my own request, is as I had stated in an earlier post....
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3737623-post2.html
I believe adherence to this itself, will go a long way in ensuring order and harmony in the forum, both Hinduism and Vedanta, in the present and future as well.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3737623-post2.html
I believe adherence to this itself, will go a long way in ensuring order and harmony in the forum, both Hinduism and Vedanta, in the present and future as well.