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Does belief in the Flood indicate intellectual incapacity?

Harold

Harold

Member
Kryptid said:
Um, how exactly would a global flood cause humans to diversify more rapidly than in a non-flood scenario? If anything, you'd expect there to be less genetic variation due to the massive genetic bottleneck caused by such a flood.
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I am not a scientist but if you start with two people and they have a baby the DNA would be really close. However if that baby marries and has another baby the DNA would not be as close.

The difference would continue really rapidly at first but would begin to slow down as it reached the point of maximum difference.

How can I explain it...like buying a new car. At first the paint would fade really fast but once it reached a point the fading would slow to almost nothing.
 
Harold

Harold

Member
outhouse said:
No it does not.

It does nothing but pervert known credible science. :facepalm:
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That is science!

In your opinion it does not work that way. But that is your opinion. Can you post an article that is more recent from the science journal or some other reliable science source to back up your opinion?
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Harold said:
Encyclopedia Britannica cites these various secular accounts of Jesus' life as convincing proof of his existence. It states:

"These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus.
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I agree.


But that does not mean we have credible accounts of his life.




I already stated I believe he exist.

Im not sure what your arguing, other then typical apologetically biased information.


Apologetics do not dictate history that is what historians do. You might be interested in REAL historians such as these.

EP Sanders
Johnathon reed
John Crossan
Bart Ehrman
Candida Moss
Marcus Borg
Lawrence Shiffman
 
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Parsimony

Well-Known Member
Harold said:
I am not a scientist but if you start with two people and they have a baby the DNA would be really close. However if that baby marries and has another baby the DNA would not be as close.

The difference would continue really rapidly at first but would begin to slow down as it reached the point of maximum difference.

How can I explain it...like buying a new car. At first the paint would fade really fast but once it reached a point the fading would slow to almost nothing.
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Except with the flood case, that baby would have to marry one of its close relatives because there would only be a handful of humans left alive. After several generations, the population would become increasingly uniform, not increasingly diverse.
 
Harold

Harold

Member
outhouse said:
NO it is not bud.


You did not supply a credible scientific source.

You supplied a known apologetic biased source that is known to pervert science. :slap:


Stop it, it carries no weight here what so ever.
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Here is the information on the author

Name: Dr. Jeffrey Tomkins Title: Research Associate Specialty: Genetics

Dr. Jeffrey Tomkins earned a master’s degree in plant science in 1990 from the University of Idaho, where he performed research in plant hormones.

He received his Ph.D. in Genetics from Clemson University in 1996.

While at Clemson, he worked as a research technician in a plant breeding/genetics program, with a research focus in the area of quantitative and physiological genetics in soybean.

After receiving his Ph.D., he worked at a genomics institute and became a faculty member in the Department of Genetics and Biochemistry at Clemson. He had become a Christian as an undergraduate at Washington State University in 1982, with a goal to eventually work as a scientist and author in the creation science field. In 2009, Dr. Tomkins joined the Institute for Creation Research as Research Associate. He is the primary author of The Design and Complexity of the Cell.
Available books by Jeffrey Tomkins:

Not sure how a scientist is no longer credible. Can you explain what makes someone creatable and not creditably.


It seems science is awesome when it is proving your point but no longer creditable when it is not.
 
Harold

Harold

Member
Kryptid said:
Except with the flood case, that baby would have to marry one of its close relatives because there would only be a handful of humans left alive. After several generations, the population would become increasingly uniform, not increasingly diverse.
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In your opinion!! Can you show scientific proof or is that just your opinion?
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Harold said:
Here is the information on the author

Name: Dr. Jeffrey Tomkins Title: Research Associate Specialty: Genetics

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No

He is known to pervert real history and science.


Look, this is not up for debate. It is not a credible source, and he only carries bad scientific credibility.


It is not a credible place to gain anything but a perverted view of apologetics and theology.

It is only a place one can find perverted science.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Harold said:
It seems science is awesome when it is proving your point but no longer creditable when it is not.
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Many theist have embarrassed their selves here trying to use such pitiful sources.


That is a apologetic website, not a scientific one. :facepalm:


We have debated these clowns for years here, most are short because they carry ONLY bad credibility. :slap:
 
Harold

Harold

Member
outhouse said:
No

He is known to pervert real history and science.


Look, this is not up for debate. It is not a credible source, and he only carries bad scientific credibility.
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It's proof and I have and will continue to use it. You seem to have lost the debate and are now just throwing out all evidence that disproves your opinion.

All you have is an opinion.

All the talk about how awesome you are. When it was time to put up, you just started throwing out evidence with no proof or reason to chunk it.

What happened to your awesome debating skills?

I've proven the DNA.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Harold said:
Here are a couple more articles on the same topic.

http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v1...l/nrg3390.html

Most Genetic Diversity Has Recent Origins | UA Magazine

Human Genetic Variation Recent, Varies Among Populations - AFA Forums

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture11690.html

Human genetic variation recent, varies among populations
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LOL :slap:


Not one aspect of any article that actually opens helps promote global flood belief.

It shows just the opposite
 
Harold

Harold

Member
outhouse said:
Many theist have embarrassed their selves here trying to use such pitiful sources.


That is a apologetic website, not a scientific one. :facepalm:


We have debated these clowns for years here, most are short because they carry ONLY bad credibility. :slap:
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Do you have anything other then an opinion?

Here are more sources

http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v1...l/nrg3390.html

Most Genetic Diversity Has Recent Origins | UA Magazine

Human Genetic Variation Recent, Varies Among Populations - AFA Forums

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture11690.html

Human genetic variation recent, varies among populations

And I can get more but I am sure none will be to your satisfaction.

Does an inability to believe in the Flood indicate intellectual incapacity?
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Harold said:
All you have is an opinion.

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NO


I have every single credible college and university around the world backing what I posit.

I have all of science behind what I posit.


And I have many theist that refuse to embarrass themselves with nonsense.



You have a handful of creationist websites that are known to pervert science :slap:
 
Harold

Harold

Member
outhouse said:
NO


I have every single credible college and university around the world backing what I posit.

I have all of science behind what I posit.


And I have many theist that refuse to embarrass themselves with nonsense.



You have a handful of creationist websites that are known to pervert science :slap:
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Can you show proof of this or is this just more talk?

Are all these people fakes as well.

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Genome Biology | Full text | A new era of human population genetics
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Quote mining will get you no where.


You don't even have a clue what your posting.

Not one bit helps promote your faith.
 
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