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Muslims will conquer Europe one day!
- Thread starter Farrukh
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Union
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actual thing is that Islam will spread in whole world, and Muslims will become leaders of all nations.
Which Islam you are talking about : Shia Islam or Sunni Islam ? Let us assume Shia Ayatollah Khomeni would become the leader of all nations , would Sunni Muslim (90% of Muslim body) agree to take him as the supreme leader ? Or vice verse.
Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
Real Islam of course
This world is bloody enough from conflicts. Why should we in the West want a Muslim leader? Look what's happened to the Middle East. Until they get it together, we don't need it.
Union
Well-Known Member
Real Islam of course
This world is bloody enough from conflicts. Why should we in the West want a Muslim leader? Look what's happened to the Middle East. Until they get it together, we don't need it.
Is Real Islam=Shia Islam to you ? What 90% Muslim (=Sunni) would think of it ?
Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
It was sarcasm. The little icon didn't show.
Farrukh
Active Member
there is no Sunni or Shia in Islam, Allah has commanded us in Noble Quran to call ourselves Muslims, that is why I said study Islam if you want to know Islam. Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم‎ were Muslims, Jesus peace be upon him will come as a Muslims, and so Imam Mehdi AS.
‎ were Muslims, Jesus peace be upon him will come as a Muslims, and so Imam Mehdi AS.
Union
Well-Known Member
there is no Sunni or Shia in Islam, Allah has commanded us in Noble Quran to call ourselves Muslims, that is why I said study Islam if you want to know Islam. Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم
Thats a nice point . We should be called only Muslim and not adding any Shia and Sunni before that . Fair enough . Now according to you how do we learn Islam : from Qur'an only or from Qur'an and Hadith ?
If your answer is the second one , then which Hadith ? Sunni Hadith (e.g., Bukhari , Muslim etc.) or Shia Hadith (e.g., Al-Kafi , Al-Faqih etc.) . Remember they accused one another for fabricating their own Hadith to suit their own beliefs .
Farrukh
Active Member
I have no knowledge about sunni or shia hadith, but Mufti Ismail Ibn e Musa Menk said in one of his lectures that there are lot of things that Holy Prophet did or ordered us to do, then why we ask about things that are debatable? like it is necessary for us to offer Salah, Zakah,.....
Union
Well-Known Member
That is what exactly I am asking you - how do you pray Salah and pay Zakah ? Why Shia and Sunni differ in doing so ? What cause them to differ ? Qur'an or Hadith ?
Farrukh
Active Member
Almighty God has given us power of understanding and differentiate between right and wrong.
I grow up in a brailvi sunni family, very soon I realized that calling someone beside God is very bad, so I left their faith. Quran tells us that it is prohibited for Muslims to divide in sects. I will follow people who are more logical.
shia people consider that Ali رضی اللہ تعالیٰ عنہ solves problems, i've seen such books that they use to read and think that Ali رضی اللہ تعالیٰ عنہ solves our problems, they beat themselves in ridiculous way, I don't know how they got such type of traditions but it is common sense, God has never sent such type of religion.
Religion of Islam that came to us for lasting till Last day is perfect and is capable of handling all issues that will ever come.
Noble Quran says "[He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving" (67:2)
It may be possible that these shia sunni sects may be part of our test, whether we tried to find the path that took us to virtue or not.
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I don't understand, what is the point in taking over Europe when Muslims are hardly able to manage what they already have right now! If Allah will he would have made the entire world Muslims, but his plan is to test us. Muslims should think how they should improve themselves, purify their heart and increase their faith instead of thinking of conquering other nations.
Farrukh
Active Member
it is one of the sign of the end of time.
We should be more concerned about our life's end rather than the end of time. Don't you know that the end of time occur only when the most evil people are on earth?
I wish i will live long but then die in peace before the end of this world as we know it.
Union
Well-Known Member
Its really inspiring to see that you differentiate right from the wrong through the teaching of Qur'an . As you already realize that Almighty ALLAH strongly prohibited to divide Islam into sects , don't you think that Sunni are to be blamed first for violating this grave commandment of ALLAH ?
These are 90% of the body of Muslim of the world but they not only divided them to be labeled as Sunni but also cracked into Hanafi , Shafee , Maliki , Hambli , Salafai , Wahabi , Ahle Hadith etc.
Does GOD , the Al-knowing want that ?
One of my friend in this forum gave me a frubal and said that introspection should always be credited , you being a Sunni , I would also eager to know your introspection about this horrendous act of Sunni Muslim .
Farrukh
Active Member
Union
Well-Known Member
Thats shocking . Anyway I will know what you are in process . But still please share your view for what I have asked about the division of Sunni .
Farrukh
Active Member
as i said before, this sunni shia may be part of our test, i just prefer to be a Muslim instead of sunni or shia, just like Dr Zakir Naik keeps mentioning that there is no sunni shia in Quran or Hadith. it is Haram for us to divide in sects.
Union
Well-Known Member
That is great . Thanks for clarifying the point . But there is a problem - You said that you are not a Shia nor a Sunni but a Muslim only , fair enough . But you in the same time asserted that Islam should be learnt from Qur'an and Hadith . Now the question is which Hadith you are referring to . Sunni Hadith or Shia Hadith ? Name a few Hadith book that you rely on .
