Isn't it time God did something to relieve human suffering?

Green Gaia · Mar 7, 2006

Victor said:
Why not both?
Why do most people make it an either/or type of scenerio?

Wait or act... I don't see how we can do both.

jewscout · Mar 7, 2006

Maize said:
Wait or act... I don't see how we can do both.

there is a saying i once heard...i think it goes something like...
Pray as though everything is in G-d's hand, and act as though everything is in yours

....or something like that...
i think the point, either way, is for us to be proactive.

michel · Mar 7, 2006

Maize said:
Either "God" can't or won't relieve human suffering, therefore it is up to humankind to do it ourselves. We must each take the responsibilty for making the world a better place and stop waiting for some invisible deity to do it for us.

That's the whole point.:dan:

Popeyesays · Mar 7, 2006

Victor said:
Why not both?
Why do most people make it an either/or type of scenerio?

Well, I think Jesus made it patently clear in the Parable of the Talents.

Regards,
Scott

Quiddity · Mar 7, 2006

jewscout said:
Pray as though everything is in G-d's hand, and act as though everything is in yours

:clap
This is what I meant Maize. Be proactive but also don't think yourself as a god that can do all and close out God completely. (not saying you do this. Just clarifying.)

dawny0826 · Mar 7, 2006

retrorich said:
Right. The ultimate cop-out. He screwed up, so we suffer as a result.

Explain to me how GOD is "screwing" up.

I don't see God "screwing" anything up. I see man "screwing" up time and time again.

Blaming God for our actions, in my opinion, is the ultimate cop-out.

Popeyesays · Mar 7, 2006

standing_alone said:
Okay, that makes sense now. Thanks for the clarification.

So is it only action that determines perfection or thought as well? Because the church I was brought up in taught that if you thought about committing a sin, it was just as bad and sinful as actually acting out the sin. And can anyone really be perfect, since we all do bad as well as good? Or does God just accept an individual on the basis of the severity of their imperfection? Sorry for asking so many questions, this is just a very interesting view on the matter that I rarely encounter.

As far back as Zoroaster it was made clear: Right THOUGHT, Right Words, Right Deeds.

Regards,
Scott

SCIRLIN · Mar 7, 2006

The only way to make an end to human suffering is to destroy every religion. Because every religion thinks they are better then the other ones. The jews say the follow the truth, the christians say the follow the truth, the muslims say they follow the truth. The only thing they follow are lies and the path to their grave. Religion makes slaves of mankind. Its time that mankind set their mind free. God only wants to have blood. Look what the jews have done in palestina. Killing people because they think they are better then non-jews. Not only the jews kill in the name of God. All followers of that God do evil acts.

Green Gaia · Mar 7, 2006

Victor said:
:clap
This is what I meant Maize. Be proactive but also don't think yourself as a god that can do all and close out God completely. (not saying you do this. Just clarifying.)

I never said to close out God completely, but I don't see God fixing the humanitarian issues of today, I see people doing it. When my sink clogs up, I don't sit back and pray to God to fix it, I get out the tools and do it myself. I don't think myself a god, just a human doing the best I know how to make this world a better place and I firmly believed that if everyone did the same, we'd have the answers to all the humanitarian issues and would have "heaven on earth".

standing_alone · Mar 7, 2006

The only way to make an end to human suffering is to destroy every religion. Because every religion thinks they are better then the other ones.

I don't believe religion is behind all of the suffering in the world. Yes, some kill because of religion, but I bet if religion was gone tomorrow, not a whole lot would change in this world. Plus, not all religious faiths believe they are better than other faiths.

Green Gaia · Mar 7, 2006

SCIRLIN said:
The only way to make an end to human suffering is to destroy every religion. Because every religion thinks they are better then the other ones.

UUs don't think our religion is any better than other religions, it's just what works for us. Nor have we ever killed or oppressed anyone in the name of our religion. Stop generalizing all religions as the same.

All followers of that God do evil acts.

Every person on this Earth does, or has the potential to do, evil acts regardless of religion or belief. Even you.

jewscout · Mar 7, 2006

Look what the jews have done in palestina. Killing people because they think they are better then non-jews.

prove that this is Israeli policy and the teachings of modern JudaismKnockout

retrorich · Mar 7, 2006

SCIRLIN said:
if you dont believe in God you will burn in hell with satan!

Thanks for the comic relief. :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Quiddity · Mar 7, 2006

Maize said:
I never said to close out God completely, but I don't see God fixing the humanitarian issues of today, I see people doing it. When my sink clogs up, I don't sit back and pray to God to fix it, I get out the tools and do it myself. I don't think myself a god, just a human doing the best I know how to make this world a better place and I firmly believed that if everyone did the same, we'd have the answers to all the humanitarian issues and would have "heaven on earth".

I said I wasn't talking about you.
I won't hold my breath for heaven on earth. I don't believe it can ever happen.

Popeyesays · Mar 7, 2006

retrorich said:
You may think that is the real question; however, it is NOT the question posed in the topic of this thread.

This is a debate forum. Debate in particular is a dialectic process. When one proposes a thesis or proposition as Standing Alone did, indeed, do. Then the antithesis has already been stated. I argued the antithesis.

The debate will determine one of three things:
A The thesis is true and hence the antithesis is FALSE
B( The antithesis is TRUE and the Thesis if false
C) Neither the thesis is TRUE, nor is the antithesis TRUE and a SYNTHESIS is required.

If I say "God should clean up this mess". I have stated a thesis. The antithesis is thereby also stated - in this case it is "God should NOT clean up this mess."

I refined it for my purposes, but I am DEAD ON TOPIC.

Regards,
Scott

Green Gaia · Mar 7, 2006

Victor said:
I said I wasn't talking about you.
I won't hold my breath for heaven on earth. I don't believe it can ever happen.

I believe it can and will happen, and it will be up to us mere humans to make it happen. This is my faith.

may · Mar 7, 2006

standing_alone said:
But isn't God the one who created Satan, who then deceived humankind? If so, by creating Satan, didn't God create suffering?

uquote] satan is a name that was given , because of being a resister or opposer of God, so he wasnt created that way ,he made himself satan . the same way that humans can be of the same attitude as satan

SCIRLIN · Mar 7, 2006

It is a fact that jews invaded palestina and killed innocent people. Now the jews are trying to clean that up. In the jewish pro movie Munich there is a jewish women that says: Who are the palestinians? where are they from?... yeah right like palestinians never existed. Thousands jews from over the world immigrated to israel (Palestina) to have more population then the palestinians. Those barbarian israeli soldiers killed even children. The Jews took control of the world media. But you cant fool me barbarians

retrorich · Mar 7, 2006

dawny0826 said:
Explain to me how GOD is "screwing" up.

I don't see God "screwing" anything up. I see man "screwing" up time and time again.

Blaming God for our actions, in my opinion, is the ultimate cop-out.

First, keep in mind that I am an atheist, so I discuss God from a strictly hypothetical viewpoint.

I think God totally screwed-up when He gave humans the ability to sin, and then chose to relegate those who do sin to burn for all eternity in hell.

If God is (and always was and always will be) omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient, then He has the capability to end all human suffering. The question posed in the title of my thread is "Isn't it time God did something to relieve human suffering?"

Let the debate continue--but on-topic, please.

standing_alone · Mar 7, 2006

satan is a name that was given , because of being a resister or opposer of God, so he wasnt created that way ,he made himself satan

But then if God made this Satan character, wouldn't God be responsible because he made the resister, since obviously God could have made him unable or unwilling to attempt to resist?

the same way that humans can be of the same attitude as satan

Yes, but from what I learned, humans became sinful because of Satan. But God created Satan, so therefore, didn't God create sin?

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