I like that. :yes:
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My views on LHP
- Thread starter technomage
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I like that. :yes:
technomage
Finding my own way
It sounds reasonable to me.
Introverted rather than extraverted? I can go with that.
Infinitum
Possessed Bookworm
That definitely hit the nail on the head in my opinion as well. Could it be that we've finally found a definition we all agree on?
technomage
Finding my own way
You optimist, you.Could it be that we've finally found a definition we all agree on?
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
Sort of. I would say enlightenment itself is the stuff of RHP though. Enlightenment implies a 'one truth' that will always amount to special pleading, and align 'enlightened' shoulder to shoulder with the rest of the holders of special 'truths'(ie, nowhere).
I think it is in fact the realization that the stuff of gods is born and lives within us, and the imagined divide between our consciousness(observer) and the breath and scope of what our mind and brain are doing at any given time(the mysterious unknown) is where the important line is drawn.
The RHP man seeks truth in 'the other', while the 'LHP' man seeks truth in 'the rest'. While the RHP seeks to become, the LHP seeks to 'overcome'.
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I don't think so. I think it is about the means rather than about the goal. Is a traditional satanist or theistic Luciferian not LHP? What about Thelema?
Infinitum
Possessed Bookworm
That's me. I was of course proven wrong just a few posts down. One can hope...You optimist, you.
The Sum of Awe
Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Are you sure it isn't the other way around? I'd think that opposition would go for the other.
That's me. I was of course proven wrong just a few posts down. One can hope...
Hope and optimism is saying that there's gotta be a definition we agree on. Defeat is saying "this is it, cause I'm tired".
Infinitum
Possessed Bookworm
No, I really liked Sum's insight. I'm not saying it's the full definition, but it's a very good nutshell.
Oh I definitely think it's a good place to start, I just think there's too many exceptions. I had an amended definition but I am toying around still.
I would say that the methods are internal / external, not that the gods being sought are internal or external. I know where you stand but we can't assume there is no external god. Whether god is a concept or god is outside of me I am still LHP. I've been known to even "pray" and similar concepts despite my position, so actually the definition I just gave fail. Hmmm...
I'll be back.
Its hard because we would all probably pick a different word. yea know? but its definitely pointed in the right direction. The underlying point was spot on
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The Sum of Awe
Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Hence the "or enlightenment"
And I used 'enlightenment' for general goal rather than a specific concept.
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
This is more a realization born of doing LHP than a precept of it.
People tend to bifurcate their reality, and project their own views of the world outwards, while at the same time attributing this projection to some other source. Man makes gods, not vice versa.
So, you can grasp at external 'truths' and work to separate your ego from the totality of what you are through language trappings, creating things like 'gods' and 'truths' to fill the gap of what is 'not you', or you can come to terms with the fact that there is no split, it's all 'you'.
This is one of the few things LaVey got right.
Hence the "or enlightenment"
And I used 'enlightenment' for general goal rather than a specific concept.
Which you could easily replace with the word xeper or.
The Sum of Awe
Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Yep. Xeper, gnosis, or whatever Satanic Enlightenment people look for.
For me, personally, I would replace it with "Nihilism" or "Vacuity". I see people running in the other direction, but I can't see how Nihilism is in any way threatening, and can't see why someone would want to escape from such a thing.
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The Sum of Awe
Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
I wasn't suggesting that all LHPers seek the same goal under different names. I'm admitting that LHPers seek different goals and attempted to put that under a single name: enlightenment.