christians in Saudi Arabia

By the way the Baha`i Faith is totally banned in Iran. Its practioners are not allowed to meet at all, may not administer their properties (which have mostly been siezed), Cannot collect pensions, cannot perform marriage ceremonies even in private, cannot go to school without registering as SOME accepted religion other than the Baha`i Faith (Muslim, Christian, Jew, or Zoroastrian), Cannot be buried in their own cemeteries - indeed their cemeteries have mostly been dug up and the coffins and remains left littered about for months at a time. cannot teach their children their own faith legally, have been imprisoned, executed and tortured physically and mentally for no other reason than their faith. The Baha`i's executed have been as young as 16 and female.

It is just as genocidal as the Holocaust, although it has not reached the stage of internment camps as yet.

Regards,
Scott

The Truth said:

Not true. Try to get an independent source but not anti one.




I'm not aware that indian and chinese were there since centries, you can teach me about it using sources.


Read my words, i meant Chinese and Indians whom the british army brought them from their own country to serve in Malaysia. Read more about it please.

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Ah, perhaps you mean a Muslim source that truly represents the Truth (Ooops! That's your name - what a coincidence)!!

http://www.asianews.it/cat.php?l=en&cat=8

6 March, 2006
PAKISTAN
Killers of Catholic youth, Javed Anjum, sentenced
by Qaiser Felix
Only two out of the three murderers were sentenced; they have been condemned to 25 years imprisonment. The 19-year-old boy was tortured in a bid to make him embrace Islam.

Faisalabad (AsiaNews) – Twenty-three months after Javed Anjum, a 19-year-old Catholic boy, was murdered, the trial of two of his three killers has reached its verdict: Ghulam Rasool and Muhammad Tayab have been condemned to 25 years in...
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4 March, 2006
TURKEY
Fr Andrea Santoro: As if nothing ever happened
by Mavi Zambak
One month after the priest’s murder in Trabzon, the country has all but forgotten the case. There is no news about the trial of the young killer; the only matter the national mass media persists in bringing up is the charges of proselytism against Fr Andrea. The bishop of Anatolia: this is only a pretext to feed an anti-Christian and anti-western controversy.

Ankara (AsiaNews) – Tomorrow marks one month since the death of Fr Andrea Santoro. On Sunday, 5 February, in Trabzon – a Turkish city on the Black Sea – at the close of a day of protests and violence in the Islamic world because of Mohammed cartoons in some western newspapers, the 60-year-old...
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Chaldean patriarch: “No Christian wants to leave Iraq for good”
The Patriarch Emmanuel III Delly admits the country’s plight is “miserable”, but says emigration affects Muslims much more: many Christians choose to stay to become peace-builders.

Baghdad (AsiaNews) – The “miserable and tragic” situation of Iraq prompts all Iraqis to long for a safer place, but “practically no Christian wants to leave his country indefinitely” and the phenomenon...
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US Church speaks out against Pakistan anti-Christian attacks
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Orlando (AsiaNews) – The US bishops have launched a strong and direct protest to Islamabad against the latest attacks against churches in Pakistan and they have expressed solidarity with the country’s “defenceless”...
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2 March, 2006
CHINA
Police clear Anhui bible school by force and arrest 36
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Huaibei (AsiaNews/CAA) – Chinese police yesterday forcibly cleared out a bible school run by an unfficial Protestant church in Huaibei, in the eastern province of Anhui, arresting 36 people who were there at the time. This was...
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http://www.domini.org/openbook/sau20010719.htm



Saudi Arabia Continues Crackdown on Christians
INTERNATIONAL CHRISTIAN CONCERNwww.persecution.orgPress Release - July 19, 2001A Christian hospital worker in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia was whisked from hishome early this morning following a police raid. Seven members of theMuttawa, the Saudi police that enforce the country's strict observance ofIslamic regulations, raided the home of Prabhu Issac at 11:00 P.M. lastnight. Both Prabhu and his wife, Socilia, were interrogated in separaterooms of their home for 3 ½ hours before Prabhu was taken away. They wereasked specifically about some group meetings held in their home, including ameeting in June held in their honor at which approximately 400 friends werein attendance. It is believed that Prabhu is being detained at the FarifiaPrison near Jeddah under the authority of the Ministry of Interior (MOI). Itis believed that Socilia, who was not arrested, is doing fine, but she wasstrictly told not to have any outside contact.The Muttawa confiscated Prabhu's computer, photo albums, Bibles, songbooks,and all his audio cassettes and videotapes. Fellow Christians are concernedthat the personal files on Prabhu's computer may have contained the namesand addresses of other Christians who often would meet together in eachothers' homes to sing and study the Bible. In Saudi Arabia, it is illegalfor Christians to gather together to practice their faith. Church buildingsare not allowed in Saudi Arabia and nothing relating to the Christian faithmay be displayed, including such things as a necklace with a cross or aBibles. Some Christians have reported that upon entering Saudi Arabia theyhave had their personal Bibles taken from them and placed into a papershredder.Prabhu and his wife are citizens of India. It is estimated that as much asone third of Saudi Arabia's population of 18 million are foreign nationalswho have been hired to fill the many employment needs of the oil-richempire. Many of these are Christians from India, the Philippines, NorthKorea and elsewhere. It is estimated that 4% of the population of SaudiArabia is Christian of which 98% are foreign nationals. The Muttawa areconstantly on the lookout for foreigners who are openly practicing theirfaith, including gathering together for religious purposes other thanobserving Islam.In May, after living in Saudi Arabia for more than ten years where Prabhuand his wife were employed at a hospital, Prabhu received notice that hiscontract was being terminated. His wife's contract was subsequentlyterminated. However, the unofficial reason that was circulating in thehospital was that they had become involved in Christian activities. Thecouple were scheduled to depart Saudi Arabia July 22.Another Christian, Ernesto Miranda, has been detained since December 8,2000. Ernesto owned a business in Riyadh and had rented out the upstairs toa group of Christians to use as a meeting place. The Muttawa raided thebuilding and arrested him and several others. While being held in solitaryconfinement and subjected to threats and beatings, under duress, Ernestoconverted to Islam. A guard had told Ernesto that he would be released if hewould only convert to Islam. Other formerly detained Christians have alsoreported being tortured and told that they must convert to Islam. To date,Ernesto has not been released and is still being held in the Malaz Prison inRiyadh .International Christian Concern is calling on Americans to protest thearrest of Prabhu Issac by phoning their representatives in Washington and bywriting, calling or faxing the Ambassador of the Kingdom Saudi of Arabia.His address isrince Bandor Bin SultanEmbassy of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia601 New Hampshire Ave. NWWashington, DC 20037Telephone: 202-342-3800Fax: 202-944-5983

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia


The situation of human rights in Saudi Arabia is generally considered to be very poor. Under the authoritarian rule of the Saudi royal family, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has enforced strict laws under a doctrine of Wahabism (a fundamentalist interpretation of sharia, Islamic religious law). Many basic freedoms as described in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights do not exist; it is alleged that capital punishment and other penalties are often given to suspected criminals without due process. Saudi Arabia has also come under fire for its oppression of religious and political minorities, torture of prisoners, and attitude toward foreign expatriates, homosexuality, and women. Though major human rights groups such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have repeatedly expressed concern about the states of human rights in Saudi Arabia, the kingdom denies that any human rights abuses take place.
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Corporal and capital punishment

Saudi Arabia is one of a number of countries where courts continue to impose corporal punishment, including amputations of hands and feet for robbery, and lashings for lesser crimes such as "sexual deviance" and drunkenness. The number of lashes is not clearly prescribed by law and is varied according to the discretion of judges, and range from dozens of lashes to several thousand, usually applied over a period of weeks or months. The person administering the lashes is required to keep a Qur'an under the armpit of the arm with which he delivers the blows so as to limit the force of the strike. Saudi Arabia also still engages in capital punishment, including public executions by beheading and stoning. Some are also executed in private by shooting. There have also been allegations that crucifixion are carried out.
In 1997, Human Rights Watch examined the case of Abd al-Karim Mara`i al-Naqshabandi, who was executed after being convicted of practising witchcraft against his employer. The organization concluded that the Saudi legal system "fails to provide minimum due process guarantees and offers myriad opportunities for well-connected individuals to manipulate the system to their advantage". [1]
In 2002, the United Nations Committee against Torture criticized Saudi Arabia over the amputations and floggings it carries out under its interpretation of Sharia. The Saudi delegation responded defending "legal traditions" held since the inception of Islam 1400 years ago and rejected interference in its legal system.

"The Truth" why don't you do a search on Google for "Christians In Saudi Arabia".......that is what I did. Is this truth enough for you "The Truth" ?

Or, maybe your eyes won't see the posts you don't want to look at..........

This sort of behavior makes Islam appear as though it were the religion of cowards.

Not a good image to have.

DakotaGypsy said:

This sort of behavior makes Islam appear as though it were the religion of cowards.

Not a good image to have.

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Islam, Muslim, Saudi Arabia...are not the same thing.

Ibrahim Al-Amin said:

It actually is written in the Quran. Numerous verses address how non-Muslims are to be treated. Unfortunately, many "Islamic" countries don't live by the Quran, but by antiquated culturalisms.

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As Sogoyewatha said to the Christians,

Ibrahim Al-Amin said:

It actually is written in the Quran. Numerous verses address how non-Muslims are to be treated. Unfortunately, many "Islamic" countries don't live by the Quran, but by antiquated culturalisms.

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I just thought that I had not mentioned (in post) your very welcome and honest,many caring posts. I do not know you well, but from what I have seen of you in this thread, you have earned my respect. I am (unfortunately) only too ready to argue with those with whom I disagree, and forget to praise those who deserve praise.:162:

michel said:

I just thought that I had not mentioned (in post) your very welcome and honest,many caring posts. I do not know you well, but from what I have seen of you in this thread, you have earned my respect. I am (unfortunately) only too ready to argue with those with whom I disagree, and forget to praise those who deserve praise.:162:

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Wow. Thank you. That was unexpected and much appreciated. :hug:

michel said:

Ah, perhaps you mean a Muslim source that truly represents the Truth (Ooops! That's your name - what a coincidence)!!

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I can simply do the same and google some terrorist christian attack in muslims holy mosques, killing muslim children and i'm quite surprised how can an adult person with a house made by glass, come and throw people with stones.

We can't claim that muslims are perfect nor christians but if we kept showing each others' shortage we will go no where but to spread hate more and more.

What do you say, do you want me to show you the Christians' attacks on muslims? Knockout

Ibrahim Al-Amin said:

It actually is written in the Quran. Numerous verses address how non-Muslims are to be treated. Unfortunately, many "Islamic" countries don't live by the Quran, but by antiquated culturalisms.

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And this is the truth. Because a country identifies itself as Islamic does not necessarily mean it's laws follow the teachings of the Quran. Laws are of the legislature and are written by whomsoever holds monetary and political sway at the time.

Certainly there are many things in the Quran that are disagreeable to some, including myself, but do not write off an entire religion based on the actions of it's supposed adherents (or more accurately errants). If this was the way we did things there are plenty of Christian Bhuddist and Taoist nations out there who would have caused their religion to be branded intolerant and violent long ago.

The Truth said:

I can simply do the same and google some terrorist christian attack in muslims holy mosques, killing muslim children and i'm quite surprised how can an adult person with a house made by glass, come and throw people with stones.

Knockout

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The Truth speaks the truth. Islam has been around 1427 years. If we look back at the last 1427 yeas, the number of people killed in the name of Christianity far exceeds the numbers killed in the name of Islam. Christianity has a very violent past, despite its relatively peaceful modern history. Sadly, Islam's modern violent history reflects negatively on its relatively peaceful past.

YmirGF said:

So very true, Judgement Day. I guess we are mistaken. Forgive us if our veils cover our eyes to the truth. You must be patient with us, as we unbelievers cannot conceive the illumined enlightenment, that is Islam. Allah knows best, and it is about time we unbelievers saw this truth for what it really is.

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I much appreciate your comment on this, YmirGF. As long as we see something as it really is, we will see the truth.

Judgement Day said:

I much appreciate your comment on this, YmirGF. As long as we see something as it really is, we will see the truth.

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I have a feeling he was being sarcastic... I spose when English isn't your first language..

ChrisP said:

I have a feeling he was being sarcastic...

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Probably, maybe. I dont really care if he is being sarcastic or not...

The Truth said:

I can simply do the same and google some terrorist christian attack in muslims holy mosques, killing muslim children and i'm quite surprised how can an adult person with a house made by glass, come and throw people with stones.

We can't claim that muslims are perfect nor christians but if we kept showing each others' shortage we will go no where but to spread hate more and more.

What do you say, do you want me to show you the Christians' attacks on muslims? Knockout

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It will be a shorter list.

AlanGurvey said:

It will be a shorter list.

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Maybe, but I doubt it. Seems like pretty much an even race to me. At least, if you go back over the whole history of Muslim-Christian conflict.

The Truth said:

Really? I would to know more about this from you please because haven't heard about it. (i.e. sources, news, etc).

An Islamic judge in Iran has issued a finding, several years ago, that the Quran's reference that when one man two women testify to remind themselves etc (I do not have the passage in friont of me but will give you exact quote if you wish( means that the testimony of one man is worth the testimony of two women

http://www.iran-bulletin.org/political_islam/punishmnt.html



The government do such a thing?

Yes follow the link



IN Iran?

Yes!



Minorities like Baha'i faith you mean?

Bahais are being killed today in Iran, I mean Bahais and Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians



In saudi arabia, yes, but in Sudan and Iran?

yes and yes



You want to say on TV that Muslims are animal in an islamic country and never been asked for it?

What are you talking about? A moolah, member of the Grand Council of Islamic Revolution , came on national TV and among many other things said that non-muslims were animals. The secular leader of the Zoroastrian community objected to such statements and he was dragged in for questioned and detained for 72 hours after which they send him home warning him against further comments ( Its illegal in Iran to criticize a member of the Grand council) This means that if they pick him up again they can accuse him of sedition






Drivel

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Enslavement of Christian and Pagan blacks in Dar Fur has been reported by both aid workers, and some foreign media. Wholesale rape is practiced by Islamic militia men on black tribal women http://www.darfurgenocide.org/:verymad:

What is drivel to you is genocide in the name of Islam to us. I realize that this is the government of Sudan and not all the Muslims BUT, for crying aloud why white wash this atrocity ? Why instead of burning rioting and killing over a cartoon , don't you guys march on the Sudanese embassy whereever you live and demand justice in the name of the same Islam that these monsters are perverting?:banghead3