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Christians Only: The 7 Churches

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I have been thinking about the seven churches mentioned starting in Revelation 1:20. Who do you think these Churches represent? Do you think they mean the major world religions or maybe the major denominations or do you think that they represent something.
 

nazz

Doubting Thomas
I have been thinking about the seven churches mentioned starting in Revelation 1:20. Who do you think these Churches represent? Do you think they mean the major world religions or maybe the major denominations or do you think that they represent something.

I think when originally written they were the literal churches mentioned. But of course parallels can be drawn with later churches.
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
They were actual churches founded by St. Paul, who needed encouragement or correction from St. John--particularly, strength against persecution and the temptations of paganism. As nazz noted, though, a lot of what St. John wrote to the seven churches 2,000 years ago also can apply to churches today.
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
I have been thinking about the seven churches mentioned starting in Revelation 1:20. Who do you think these Churches represent? Do you think they mean the major world religions or maybe the major denominations or do you think that they represent something.

Revelation was given as a prophecy to show God's servants what would come to pass. Therefore, I believe the messages to the seven congregations are far more than a mere historical account of circumstances extant in the last decade of the first century. These seven churches in Asia Minor represent the stages (or eras) through which God's little flock would "complete" before Christ's return.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
I have been thinking about the seven churches mentioned starting in Revelation 1:20. Who do you think these Churches represent? Do you think they mean the major world religions or maybe the major denominations or do you think that they represent something.

7 is a number represtenting 'completeness' or 'fullness' in scripture


so we view the 7 congregations as meaning the christian congregation as a collective whole. Jesus warnings and council is applicable to all his followers where ever they may be.
 

Peregrinul

New Member
Hi and bless every one of you! This question is captivating me… The topic is very important, even hot… Why? Because these 7 messages come from some very important Persons – God the Father, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, an important angel and the apostle or prophet John (1:1. 10. 11. 13; 2:7 etc.). I consider myself a child or servant of God and therefore, these 7 messages were sent to me personal (1:1). The Revelation is the letter of Jesus for me… I love Jesus, and therefore I love this letter, too; because it comes from the One Who died for me on the cross.

If I am welcome among you, I’m happy to cooperate with you in studying the mysterious 7 letters to the 7 churches…
 

Peregrinul

New Member
The QUESTION was this: “Who do you think these Churches represent? Do you think they mean the major world religions or maybe the major denominations or do you think that they represent something?”

In essence, the ANWERS were these:
• I think when originally written they were the literal churches mentioned. But of course parallels can be drawn with later churches.
• They were actual churches founded by St. Paul… a lot of what St. John wrote to the seven churches 2,000 years ago also can apply to churches today.
• Revelation was given as a prophecy to show God's servants what would come to pass… [They] represent the stages (or eras) through which God's little flock would "complete" before Christ's return.
• 7 is a number representing 'completeness' or 'fullness' in scripture; so we view the 7 congregations as meaning the Christian congregation as a collective whole…
But I think the topic is not finished; it was only a small beginning… Are all of your answers true? Are all of them in perfect harmony with the Holy Bible? Nobody put a biblical foundation for his opinion… What is the Bible’s interpretation?

The suggestions of james2ko and Pegg are fantastic… If they are right, then we are living in the last period of Christian church, before the coming of Jesus. In this case, the seventh letter to the seventh church – to Laodicea – is the letter of Jesus for the modern Christian churches…

That means the modern churches are not good or cannot be accepted by God without some radical changes… They are in a very dangerous situation… Listen to the message of Jesus for the modern Christian Churches:

15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked — 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.” – Rev. 3:15-19 NKJV.

15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm ― neither hot nor cold ― I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realise that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so that you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so that you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so that you can see. 19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. – NIV

Fantastic! Beyond belief! But the name of Jesus in that letter is “THE TRUE WITNESS”. He says the truth… He knows us and our churches very well… He says, “I know your works”… (3:15).
The most important question for us in this regard, is this: Is the message to Laodicea applicable to both the modern Christian Churches and to individuals? Even to us? What do you know that the Bible says in this regard?
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I think you guys missed the point of my question, yes, those were real Churches, we know this. But why are they listed in Revelation in the first place, the whole of Revelation is symbolic, as we know, so those Churches might represent something else, as well, don't you think? Why else would they be added?
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
I believe the messages addressed to the seven churches are also completely relevant to all Christians today.

I remember the Antiochian Orthodox priest at a parish near my university recounting a story where he was able to ask a question to the Bishop of Corinth. This was a bishop who had come from a line of bishops that can be visibly traced back to St. Paul; in a very real way, this bishop was truly the successor of St. Paul at Corinth. Due to not having anything particularly profound in mind to ask, the priest simply asked, "So, what's it like in Corinth?" The bishop's thickly-bearded faced grew stern, and his eyes grew dark and big. "Have you read St. Paul's letters to the Corinthians?" the bishop asked. "Yes," our priest answered. The bishop's face grew even darker and grizzled, and his eyes became even bigger. With a low voice, the bishop said, "Not much has changed." :D

I think that part of Revelation is still recounted, as the criticisms levelled against the Christian communities then are still relevant to Christian communities now. I don't think the seven churches represent anything more than certain spiritual conditions. I might review those chapters and give my opinion as to what they could represent. But as far as saying "Oh, this church represents <insert denomination here>" or "Oh, this church represents Christianity during _____ time in history", I don't think those are what St. John had in mind.
 

Peregrinul

New Member
I continued to study about the ten letters for the ten churches. ChristineES asked, “WHO DO YOU THINK THESE CHURCHES REPRESENT?” (12-12-2013, 02:23 PM).

At the time when Jesus asked John to write these seven letters, a Christian congregation had been established in each of the seven cities named. These cities were so located on interconnecting Roman highways that it was possible to visit each of them in the order in which they are listed. The Roman Imperial Post may have regularly visited them in this order in the course of handling mail. All the Seven Cities stand on the great circular road that bound together the most populous, wealthy, and influential part of the Province of Asia.

But in a book like Revelation that abounds with symbols, are we to assume that the seven congregations in these seven cities were the only audiences to whom the messages were directed? Or do the seven churches represent, let us say, different conditions of different churches at any and all times? Are the seven messages general admonitions intended for everybody? Do they, perhaps, stand for seven successive phases in the experience of the whole church from John's day to the end of the world? Are the messages in all the letters perhaps intended for everybody? Let us look at these possibilities. What the Bible says in this regard?

[1]. FOR LOCAL CONGREGATIONS. The seven letters speak of some things that had already happened or that were in process of happening at the time Revelation was written. "YOU [in Ephesus] have abandoned the love you had at first." Revelation 2:4. "YOU [in Pergamum] have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam." Revelation 2:14. "YOU [in Thyatira] tolerate the woman Jezebel." Revelation 2:20. "YOU [in Philadelphia] have kept my word and have not denied my name." Revelation 3:8. "YOU [in Laodicea] say, I am rich." Revelation 3:17.

Obviously, these statements must have been true in respect to the local congregations at the time John wrote; otherwise, when the letters arrived, the local Christians would have said, "John surely doesn't know what he's talking about!" So, yes, the letters do deal with conditions in local congregations in John's day.

CONCLUSION. In that period of time there were more than only seven Asian Christian churches. Why did God send His letters only to those seven and not to all? If we go deeper in this study, we will understand that the seven cities were representative for some special details of the prophetic design of God.

[2]. FOR EVERYONE. The ending of every letter contains the words, "HE who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." The lessons in all the letters apply to everyone everywhere. And so do the promises. Jesus introduces the promises again and again with the phrase, "HE who conquers." He says, for example, that "he who conquers" will receive of the hidden manna, "He who conquers" will walk with Him in white, and "He who conquers" will sit down with Him in His throne, and so on. The promises were intended for everyone in need of encouragement — for everyone facing pressures today as well as for martyrs facing wild beasts long ago. They are for EVERYONE who "has an ear," that is, for EVERYONE who is willing to listen.

[3]. FOR DENOMINATIONS AND RELIGIOUS MOVEMENTS. But though the promises are for everyone who is willing to listen, the letters as a whole are addressed to "CHURCHES." They are directed primarily to GROUPS. As social beings, we are all organic parts of the organizations we belong to, influencing them and in turn being influenced by them. We are all more or less responsible for the faults of the groups with which we identify and are worthy of their rewards. For this reason, as we observed in Daniel 9, the prophet Daniel confessed the sins of his GROUP, sins that he had not committed personally, and he asked God to forgive "US."

So, just as the letters applied to seven local churches at one time, and just as they apply to individuals every¬where and at all times, it is evident that they also apply to the various condi¬tions of the church — that is, to the var¬ious conditions of congregations, denominations, and movements — at all times.

[4]. I think we need to resolve a difficulty before discussing about a fourth possibility:

The Bible says, “Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that GOD SHOWS NO PARTIALITY”. Acts 10:14 NKJV

When some waves of Roman persecution came, all the seven churches were persecuted in the same time. In this case, why did God warned only the church in Smyrna, “Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.”? (Revelation 2:10. In symbolic prophecies, a prophetic day means a real year; therefore Smyrna was to suffer a special period of cruel persecution – 10 years /303-313/ under Diocletian). If “God shows no partiality”, why all the seven churches were not alike alerted to the Diocletian persecution which they were all to experience? Why only Smyrna? How can we resolve this difficulty of interpretation?
 
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