Christian's Birthdays and Other Holidays

james2ko · Feb 28, 2014

Shiranui117 said:
Do you have examples of this?

Aaron took it upon himself to proclaim a feast unto the Lord (Ex 32:5). The only problem was God had yet to ordain any feast days at this time, for the exception of perhaps the Passover. Aaron had no right to arbitrarily assign his own feast day unto the Lord.

Jeroboam ordained a feast on the fifteenth day of the eighth month, like the feast that was in Judah, [The correct date ordained by God was the 15th day of the 7th month--Lev 23:34] and offered sacrifices on the altar. So he did at Bethel, sacrificing to the calves that he had made. And at Bethel he installed the priests of the high places which he had made (1 Ki 12:32).

Needless to say, God was not pleased:

"I hate, I despise your feast days, And I do not savor your sacred assemblies. 22 Though you offer Me burnt offerings and your grain offerings, I will not accept them, Nor will I regard your fattened peace offerings. 23 Take away from Me the noise of your songs, For I will not hear the melody of your stringed instruments. 24 But let justice run down like water, And righteousness like a mighty stream. Amo 5:21-24

Isaiah also projects God displeasure in setting our own feast days:

Isa 1:14 Your New Moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates; They are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.

God's use of the 2nd person pronoun "your" indicates the Israelites celebrated feast days on their own terms and/or made up their own. As opposed to the days God Himself ordained, which He calls "My" feasts:

Lev 23:1-2 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.

Also note that Christ never commanded anyone to celebrate the day of His Resurrection. Yet we all worship on Sunday (the day Christ rose from the dead) and Easter is without question the biggest and most important holiday on the Christian calendar. If celebrating Christmas is wrong because Jesus never commanded it, then shouldn't we also refuse to celebrate the day He rose from the dead, by that same logic? Yet we know the importance of Pascha, even in the Bible. How do you deal with that?

But He did command us to observe the Passover in remembrance of Him, which I do.

savagewind · Feb 28, 2014

james2ko said:
True.. There is no direct proof, but the circumstantial evidence is too overwhelming for me to thumb my nose at... I choose to "guess" on the side of caution. I think of it this way--anything that is satan's favorite I choose to stay far away from it.

Do you also not see the difference between a national sovereign celebrating his birthday for himself and a family or some friends celebrating for each other? Or a nation proclaiming a feast day and a family having one?

james2ko · Feb 28, 2014

savagewind said:
Do you also not see the difference between a national sovereign celebrating his birthday for himself and a family or some friends celebrating for each other?

The celebration of one's day of birth is what I believe God condemns. I don't believe the circumstances under which it is performed matter much to God.

savagewind · Feb 28, 2014

james2ko said:
The celebration of one's day of birth is what I believe God condemns. I don't believe the circumstances under which it is performed matter much to God.

What is your criteria for concluding such a thing?

savagewind · Feb 28, 2014

If it is true God hates celebrating the day someone was born then friends and family of the birthday child are doing evil, not good, to the child.

james2ko · Feb 28, 2014

savagewind said:
What is your criteria for concluding such a thing?

Read my last several posts to Shiranui...

savagewind said:
If it is true God hates celebrating the day someone was born then friends and family of the birthday child are doing evil, not good, to the child.

You said it, not me

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savagewind · Feb 28, 2014

james2ko said:
Read my last several posts to Shiranui...

You said it, not me .

I am sure the scriptures you quoted to Shiranui have to do with national holidays. Everyone who is convinced God hates birthdays won't see the difference between mandated holidays and family celebrations. I wonder why?

Shiranui117 · Feb 28, 2014

james2ko said:
Aaron took it upon himself to proclaim a feast unto the Lord (Ex 32:5). The only problem was God had yet to ordain any feast days at this time, for the exception of perhaps the Passover. Aaron had no right to arbitrarily assign his own feast day unto the Lord.

Jeroboam ordained a feast on the fifteenth day of the eighth month, like the feast that was in Judah, [The correct date ordained by God was the 15th day of the 7th month--Lev 23:34] and offered sacrifices on the altar. So he did at Bethel, sacrificing to the calves that he had made. And at Bethel he installed the priests of the high places which he had made (1 Ki 12:32).

It's clear that idolatry and attempting to replace God's feasts is what was wrong in God's eyes, even with just a cursory glance at the passage. Spontaneously appointing feasts to the Lord were done rather often by the Israelites, which we see in Exodus 32:5, 1 Kings 8:65, and 2 Chronicles 30:23.

Needless to say, God was not pleased:

"I hate, I despise your feast days, And I do not savor your sacred assemblies. 22 Though you offer Me burnt offerings and your grain offerings, I will not accept them, Nor will I regard your fattened peace offerings. 23 Take away from Me the noise of your songs, For I will not hear the melody of your stringed instruments. 24 But let justice run down like water, And righteousness like a mighty stream. Amo 5:21-24

The reason these were displeasing to God is because they are done half-heartedly and hypocritically; on the one hand, they celebrate all the appointed feasts and give all sacrifices in the prescribed manner, but on the other, they are unjust and neglect the poor and afflicted.

Isaiah also projects God displeasure in setting our own feast days:

Isa 1:14 Your New Moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates; They are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.
God's use of the 2nd person pronoun "your" indicates the Israelites celebrated feast days on their own terms and/or made up their own.

Not necessarily. It describes offerings of incense, bulls, goats and lambs--all things prescribed in the Law. And if you read the context, there's the same problem of Israel being unfaithful and unjust, offering half-hearted sacrifices to God. It's the same reason that Abel's sacrifice was accepted, but Cain's wasn't.

But He did command us to observe the Passover in remembrance of Him, which I do.

Yes, He did command us to celebrate the Eucharist. But nowhere did Christ or the Bible command us to celebrate the day of His Resurrection or to worship on Sunday. Yet even the Jehovah's Witnesses do both.

james2ko · Feb 28, 2014

savagewind said:
I am sure the scriptures you quoted to Shiranui have to do with national holidays. Everyone who is convinced God hates birthdays won't see the difference between mandated holidays and family celebrations. I wonder why?

I'm not here to convince anyone to give up birthdays. I merely presented the overwhelming circumstantial evidence that compels me not to engage in it. If anyone here wants to engage in perpetuating satan's favorite holy day, knock yourself out. As for me and my family, we choose to follow the days God ordained in his Word.

james2ko · Feb 28, 2014

Shiranui117 said:
It's clear that idolatry and attempting to replace God's feasts is what was wrong in God's eyes, even with just a cursory glance at the passage. Spontaneously appointing feasts to the Lord were done rather often by the Israelites, which we see in Exodus 32:5, 1 Kings 8:65, and 2 Chronicles 30:23.

The reason these were displeasing to God is because they are done half-heartedly and hypocritically; on the one hand, they celebrate all the appointed feasts and give all sacrifices in the prescribed manner, but on the other, they are unjust and neglect the poor and afflicted.
[/INDENT]Not necessarily. It describes offerings of incense, bulls, goats and lambs--all things prescribed in the Law. And if you read the context, there's the same problem of Israel being unfaithful and unjust, offering half-hearted sacrifices to God. It's the same reason that Abel's sacrifice was accepted, but Cain's wasn't.

Yes, He did command us to celebrate the Eucharist. But nowhere did Christ or the Bible command us to celebrate the day of His Resurrection or to worship on Sunday. Yet even the Jehovah's Witnesses do both.

We can justify and explain away anything in life and the bible. I'll tell you the same thing I told savagewind in my last reply...I'm not here to convince anyone to give up birthdays. I merely presented the overwhelming circumstantial evidence that compels me not to engage in it. If anyone here wants to engage in perpetuating satan's favorite holy day, knock yourself out. As for me and my family, we choose to follow the days God ordained in his Word.

savagewind · Feb 28, 2014

james2ko said:
I'm not here to convince anyone to give up birthdays. I merely presented the overwhelming circumstantial evidence that compels me not to engage in it. If anyone here wants to engage in perpetuating satan's favorite holy day, knock yourself out. As for me and my family, we choose to follow the days God ordained in his Word.

Interesting. You are reading my mind. I was thinking it is OK for you to disagree with the custom of celebrating your birthday, or your children's and your wife's birthday. Fine! It is NOT OK to judge the celebrating of birthdays for others calling them "satan's favorite day". You do not know satan's favorite day and you go against scripture judging birthday celebrations evil for others. Romans 14:3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.

You who will not eat birthday cake are admonished not to judge those who do but you have judged them. You are convinced they do something God hates and satan loves. That is JUDGING.

savagewind · Feb 28, 2014

I have seen people who do not know the difference between these two things:

•I believe it is against the love of God to do such and such.
•It is against the love of God to do such and such.

Is there not a world of difference between those two points of view?

james2ko · Feb 28, 2014

savagewind said:
Interesting. You are reading my mind. I was thinking it is OK for you to disagree with the custom of celebrating your birthday, or your children's and your wife's birthday. Fine! It is NOT OK to judge the celebrating of birthdays for others calling them "satan's favorite day". You do not know satan's favorite day and you go against scripture judging birthday celebrations evil for others. Romans 14:3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.

You who will not eat birthday cake are admonished not to judge those who do but you have judged them. You are convinced they do something God hates and satan loves. That is JUDGING.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into satan's thoughts about birthdays:

"The highest of all holidays in the Satanic religion is the date of one's own birth. This is in direct contradiction to the holy of holy days of other religions, which deify a particular god who has been created in an anthropomorphic form of their own image, thereby showing that the ego is not really buried.

The Satanist feels: "Why not really be honest and if you are going to create a god in your image, why not create that god as yourself." Every man is a god if he chooses to recognize himself as one. So, the Satanist celebrates his own birthday as the most important holiday of the year. After all, aren't you happier about the fact that you were born than you are about the birth of someone you have never even met? Or for that matter, aside from religious holidays, why pay higher tribute to the birthday of a president or to a date in history than we do to the day we were brought into this greatest of all worlds?

Despite the fact that some of us may not have been wanted, or at least were not particularly planned, we're glad, even if no one else is, that we're here! You should give yourself a pat on the back, buy yourself whatever you want, treat yourself like the king (or god) that you are, and generally celebrate your birthday with as much pomp and ceremony as possible. After one's own birthday, the two major Satanic holidays are Walpurgisnacht and Halloween
(or All Hallows' Eve)".

Satanic Bible pg 53 online pdf version

savagewind · Feb 28, 2014

james2ko said:
Perhaps I'm reading too much into satan's thoughts about birthdays:

"The highest of all holidays in the Satanic religion is the date of one's own birth. This is in direct contradiction to the holy of holy days of other religions, which deify a particular god who has been created in an anthropomorphic form of their own image, thereby showing that the ego is not really buried.

The Satanist feels: "Why not really be honest and if you are going to create a god in your image, why not create that god as yourself." Every man is a god if he chooses to recognize himself as one. So, the Satanist celebrates his own birthday as the most important holiday of the year. After all, aren't you happier about the fact that you were born than you are about the birth of someone you have never even met? Or for that matter, aside from religious holidays, why pay higher tribute to the birthday of a president or to a date in history than we do to the day we were brought into this greatest of all worlds?

Despite the fact that some of us may not have been wanted, or at least were not particularly planned, we're glad, even if no one else is, that we're here! You should give yourself a pat on the back, buy yourself whatever you want, treat yourself like the king (or god) that you are, and generally celebrate your birthday with as much pomp and ceremony as possible. After one's own birthday, the two major Satanic holidays are Walpurgisnacht and Halloween
(or All Hallows' Eve)".

Satanic Bible pg 53 online pdf version

Maybe your personifying that guy "satan" HAHA! FYI satan didn't write the satanic bible.

james2ko · Feb 28, 2014

savagewind said:
Maybe your personifying that guy "satan" HAHA! FYI satan didn't write the satanic bible.

With that logic one could say God didn't write the bible either, right?

savagewind · Feb 28, 2014

james2ko said:
With that logic one could say God didn't write the bible either, right?

Not really. God is real and satan....who knows? Apples to oranges I say.

james2ko · Feb 28, 2014

savagewind said:
Not really. God is real and satan....who knows? Apples to oranges I say.

Ah. I see. You doubt satan even exists. Then God will certainly excuse you..

savagewind · Feb 28, 2014

james2ko said:
Ah. I see. You doubt satan even exists. Then God will certainly excuse you..

God will excuse me for what please?

Satan existing and satan as a being who has preferences is NOT THE SAME. Saying satan cannot love or hate does not mean satan doesn't exist.

By the way, if it was even possible for satan to have preferences I am sure no person would know what they are. They might even change day to day. Who knows?

Jensen · Feb 28, 2014

JayJayDee said:
LOL...that is like saying lets take all the heat out of the sun and pretend its the moon. Nice try.....

Giving a gift is okay, right? So give a gift, have no cake or candles or party. That would be a start wouldn't it?

Seriously, would that be okay for a Witness?

Jensen

james2ko · Feb 28, 2014

savagewind said:
God will excuse me for what please?

Satan existing and satan as a being who has preferences is NOT THE SAME. Saying satan cannot love or hate does not mean satan doesn't exist.

Either I'm getting very sleepy or your logic is as crazy as the snow we're getting here in the northeast US. Going to bed. I'd rather not observe the day revered by the non-existent/existing being with preferences, who cannot; does not; will not or whatever it is you are trying to say-- love or hate :areyoucra :shrug:

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