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Human Sacrifice in Bible

pandamonk

Active Member
Ðanisty said:
The moderators deleted an offensive post which made it pretty obvious he wasn't trying to start a friendly debate.
I was actually trying to start a friendly debate, and only got annoyed when this thread was deleted. I posted profanity in the forums about a moderators actions instead of emailing them directly. So yeah i was wrong to do so, but i was worked up about this thread being deleted when i saw nothing wrong with it.
 

pandamonk

Active Member
Ðanisty said:
Who says I'm not a roleplayer? Granted, I don't like Dungeons and Dragons because it is so restrictive and doesn't allow for much personal creativity, I do absolutely love first and second edition White Wolf games.

I'm not a Christian. I'm not upset about his beliefs beyond the point that it's a bad representation of Satanism. What I'm upset about is his anti-semetic comments which were deleted by a moderator and the personal attacks he posted, also deleted by a moderator, so most of you don't know what I'm talking about. Don't give me crap for responding to something that's not there anymore and you don't know about. I'm also upset that he's claiming to be a Satanist, talking trash, and doing so under my diety's banner.

This is bull**** really. If someone claimed to be a Christians and started behaving in such an offensive way, you guys would defend your religion and make it clear to others that the person in question was a bad representation of your faith. If someone where spouting off racist comments and being generally offensive, but had a cross in their avatar, you would be upset. Nice double-standard, supposedly in the name of being open-minded...
Ahh ok, i never saw the anti-semetic comments and personal attacks.
 

pandamonk

Active Member
AlanGurvey said:
Agreed! This interpretation breaks all bound of foolishness!
Please explain why. What i get from the biblical quote is that God isn't as nice a guy as he'd (if he exists, or "the church'd" if he don't) like us to think. How can the quotes which show God asking for sacrificial offerings mean anything other than that?
 
;) Me being hindu(prema-yoga) the art of sacrifice is to consecrate your devotion to the lord and his son(krsna& jesus) for in that action it brings you closer to a understanding of God and his son and the cosmic plan, as far as human sacrifice goes it is clearly stated in the bhagavad-gita that it is done by people lacking complete knowlegde of sri bhagavan and his son and the conditions relating to that art, it is suposed to cleanse the soul not harm it, MANY BLESSINGS TO YOU.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
pandamonk said:
Would you kindly show why, instead of leaving us to wonder

concerning sacrifices, yes, in the days of the Temple sacrifices were part of the service, they were eaten by the Kohanim, and on High Holidays like Passover, the rich and the poor, the have's and have nots sat and ate the Passover offering of roasted Lamb...

oh no! the horrors of eating a roasted lamb on a holiday!!! what a horrible thing!!



every animal sacrificed in those days was a Kosher animal and could ONLY be sacrificed in the Temple, an animal can be sacrificed no where else.



as far as human sacrifice, that is absolutely ridiculous. First off, as i pointed out, only animals that could be eaten, Kosher animals, could be sacrificed as Kohanim would eat the roasted animal.

HUMANS ARE NOT KOSHER TO EAT, PERIOD.



Numbers 31:40 is talking about sacrificing the animals that the Israelites take after a conquest, what is owed to HaShem for aiding them in battle. It is not about sacrificing people!



in regards to the story in Judges 11 commentary from Rashi shows that G-d did NOT want this and when it happened He punished her father because G-d does not desire human sacrifice:

and it was a statute They decreed that no one should do this anymore (i.e., they publicized that no one should offer a human being), because had Jephthah gone to Phinehas or vice versa, he would have nullified his (i.e., Jephthah’s) vow (i.e., he would have instructed him what the law is in such an instance). However, they were particular about their honor, and as a result she was destroyed. Consequently, they were punished; Phinehas, by the Divine presence leaving him as it is stated in (I) Chron. (9:20) “Previously God was with him,” so we see subsequently God was not with him; and Jephthah was afflicted with boils and dismemberment as it is stated, (below 12:7) “And he was buried in the cities [pl.] of Gilead.” (His limbs were buried in the various cities.)
also other commentators have suggested that his daughter lived on but did not marry and spent her life in solitude studying Torah taken from the verse "and she had not known a man", meaning she never had children.



what's also great is taking verses out of context to support wild accusations in an attempt to drag the holy scripture of another through the mud, for example the verses in Deut. are taken from a section describing the blessings that HaShem would pour upon Israel when it harkened to the Torah and the curses and punishments that would befall Israel when it fell away from the Covenant, including being besieged by an outside force and having to resort to the disgusting practice of cannibalism, which is NOT A MITZVOT OF THE TORAH.



so in review, back in the olden days sacrifice was the normal means of communing w/ one's Deity so laws were established by HaShem the particular way they were to be done and where. However you will not find such practices done today, not in Judaism or Christianity.

and Human sacrifice is not Kosher.
 

pandamonk

Active Member
jewscout said:
as far as human sacrifice, that is absolutely ridiculous.
Well God did demand someone to sacrifice their only son, or something like that, to him, and then at the last moment change his mind.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
pandamonk said:
Well God did demand someone to sacrifice their only son, or something like that, to him, and then at the last moment change his mind.
you mean the story of Akeidah, the binding of Isaac.
this was a test of Abraham's faith in G-d, one of 10 that Abraham went through, it says:
And it happened after these things that G-d tested Abraham...
(Gen. 22:1)
additionally the commentary from the Stone Edition Chumash says of this verse:
This is the only one of Abraham's Ten Trials that the Torah explicitly calls a test, because the others were carried to completion as he understood them - Abraham actually left his homeland, sent away Ishmael, and so on - but this one remained nothing more than a test, because G-d gid not permit Abraham to slaugher Isaac (Abarbanel)
additionally from the Midrash:
The Midrash renders neesah (tested) in the sense of "elevated", like a nays, "banner", that flies high above an army or ship. Hence the verse would be rendered: And G-d exalted Abraham, trial upon trial, greatness after greatness. Abraham could achieve nothing higher, and after these events we do not find G-d addressing Abraham again, for he had achieved the zenith of his potential.

just another perspective...
 

SCIRLIN

Member
First of all my posts were not anti-semetic. My deleted post was also not anti-semetic. Danisty you should learn what anti-semetic is, go to school get a life. And second of all i say what i think about the jews. The jews are not holy people or something like that. They are not gods. The jews think they are very special but they arent. All people are the same in my eyes.

Why dont you just accept that your god is the deceiver of humanity?
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
SCIRLIN said:
First of all my posts were not anti-semetic. My deleted post was also not anti-semetic.
if you wish contest an action then contact an Admin through PM

And second of all i say what i think about the jews. The jews are not holy people or something like that. They are not gods. The jews think they are very special but they arent. All people are the same in my eyes.
that's fine, that's your opinion...besides, no jew would claim to be a g-d anyway

SCIRLIN said:
Why dont you just accept that your god is the deceiver of humanity?
why don't you accept that someone actually countered your thesis on G-d demanding human sacrifice and either support your arguement or admit your thesis is flawed
 

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
SCIRLIN said:
First of all my posts were not anti-semetic. My deleted post was also not anti-semetic. Danisty you should learn what anti-semetic is, go to school get a life. And second of all i say what i think about the jews. The jews are not holy people or something like that. They are not gods. The jews think they are very special but they arent. All people are the same in my eyes.
Well, apparently the moderator agreed with me.

SCIRLIN said:
Why dont you just accept that your god is the deceiver of humanity?
I am NOT a Christian. I hate to break this to you, but it's entirely possible for people who aren't Christians to disagree with you.
 
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