Abortion: Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

Ãanisty · Feb 25, 2006

Buttercup said:
Having a baby is not the worst thing in the world to happen to someone.

That depends on the individual. If I had a baby, I know for a fact it would be the worst thing in the world to happen to me. It would be the worst thing in the world to happen to the baby too.

Buttercup said:
Most people who have sex know where babies come from. Before you have sex make sure you don't make a baby. It's called being responsible. If you're old enough to have sex, do it responsibly.

Of course. I do have sex responsibly. Still, if I get pregnant (which is possible even if you use birth control correctly), I will have an abortion because I do not want children.

mr.guy · Feb 25, 2006

ceridwen said:
...but it should not be used as birth control...

Ahh, shucks, ya just uncovered the pro-choice agenda to replace all those inconvenient birth-control methods with abortion. It's a well known fact that lazy and immoral women would much rather use abortion as their primary birth-control method.

Buttercup · Feb 25, 2006

Ðanisty said:
That depends on the individual. If I had a baby, I know for a fact it would be the worst thing in the world to happen to me. It would be the worst thing in the world to happen to the baby too.

If you happened to become pregnant...you could make a couple of people very happy by giving your baby to them to adopt.

Of course. I do have sex responsibly. Still, if I get pregnant (which is possible even if you use birth control correctly), I will have an abortion because I do not want children.

I would advise getting a tubal ligation if you are certain you don't want kids. I did and it's wonderful to never have to worry again about getting pregnant. You cannot imagine how freeing that is....to not have to worry. Ahhhh, it's great.

nutshell · Feb 25, 2006

Ðanisty said:
Of course. I do have sex responsibly. Still, if I get pregnant (which is possible even if you use birth control correctly), I will have an abortion because I do not want children.

There are other options besides killing the baby because you don't want children.

nutshell · Feb 25, 2006

Buttercup said:
If you happened to become pregnant...you could make a couple of people very happy by giving your baby to them to adopt.

I would advise getting a tubal ligation if you are certain you don't want kids. I did and it's wonderful to never have to worry again about getting pregnant. You cannot imagine how freeing that is....to not have to worry. Ahhhh, it's great.

My friend's mom had a tubal ligation and a few years later...oops!...she got pregnant.

nutshell · Feb 25, 2006

My stupid sociology professor brought up abortion during class Thursday. I guess he thought it would be cool to polarize the class. Anyway, he said, "Despite the big debate over abortion, there are surprisingly few abortions actually performed. It is a relatively rare medical procedure with only 500,000 a year."

Excuse me!!! To those who are strongly pro-life, 500,000 is an obscene number.

He went on to say nobody like abortion, even those who are pro-choice. I disagreed and told him I bet Planned Parenthood does like abortion since they depend on abortions to keep their company afloat.

Wow. That comment started a hellstorm and I was accused of being fascist using unacceptabily strong language.

Daniel Burbank · Feb 25, 2006

What you said does make sense, though. If nobody liked abortion, why do people get them?

Ormiston · Feb 25, 2006

I don't think any individual would like the procedure. That's like saying you liked having a tumor removed. They might like the result though. Is there anything wrong with that? I'm SURE many people like having the option to have an abortion or not. And I'm also sure that people working for Planned Parenthood like having jobs and that the officers of the company like making profits but I doubt any of them like the procedure required for an abortion. I really doubt that even the doctors who make a living doing abortions like the procedure. They like helping women and having a career, I'm sure, and they obviously don't having any ethical problems with the procedure. If someone did like abortions they would be unique and, in my opinion, disturbed. But I'm certain many people like the results, none the less. I still don't see how liking or disliking abortions has anything to do with the morality of it.

Quoth The Raven · Feb 25, 2006

mr.guy said:
Ahh, shucks, ya just uncovered the pro-choice agenda to replace all those inconvenient birth-control methods with abortion. It's a well known fact that lazy and immoral women would much rather use abortion as their primary birth-control method.

Actually, I know at least one person who had 4 abortions in the time I knew her, largely because she was an idiot who was haphazard when it came to other methods of birth control.

Buttercup · Feb 26, 2006

nutshell said:
My friend's mom had a tubal ligation and a few years later...oops!...she got pregnant.

Well, guess if that happened to me I would have another kid. Found this article on failure rates for tubal ligations for anyone who may want to know. I have two friends who had this procedure done in their early thirties when they were certain they didn't want kids. So far, so good for them.

Failure rates
Occasionally a woman still gets pregnant, despite having had her tubes tied properly. The tubes have evolved in such a way as to try to heal themselves, and sometimes a tract develops that allows egg and sperm to meet. Tubal ligation, regardless of whether the tubes are cut, burned, clipped, banded, or tied, is about 99 percent effective, meaning that about 1 percent of women will conceive an unplanned pregnancy after tubal ligation. This failure occurs slightly more frequently in younger women.

Ardhanariswar · Feb 26, 2006

Daniel Burbank said:
Not to take anything away from your view, but aren't newborn babies like parasites as well? Newborn babies can't live by themselves. They are solely dependent on others. So does that make a newborn baby not human? What, then, separates a newborn baby from being the same as a fetus other than that it is a parasite outside the body, not inside?

To the point where a fetus cannot survive without its mother. Yes, I know babies obviously need thier mother, but they do not rely on mothers in the same way they would in the womb before their birth.

A baby (outside of the mothers body) is not a *parasite* because it doesn't attach itself to the mother in any physical way thats permanant. (breast feeding is not 24/7). If a mother neglected a baby, the baby wouldnt find its way to its mother and glue itself onto her.

Buttercup · Feb 26, 2006

Ardhanariswar said:
But as long as it gathers nutrients and blood from its mom, the fetus is more like a parasite.

Not sure if you're a male or female but, if you have children and one of your kids asks questions about how your pregnancy went and what it was like to be pregnant with them, are you going to tell your child you thought it was a parasite?

Ãanisty · Feb 26, 2006

Buttercup said:
If you happened to become pregnant...you could make a couple of people very happy by giving your baby to them to adopt.

I don't believe in adoption...lol. There are too many children in the world right now that need to be adopted. I'm not going to be responsible for making another kid who will just want to find his/her biological mom some day anyway. Then I'd be forced to tell them that I never cared about them and I don't want anything to do with them, etc. Furthermore, I am not willing to go through pregnancy and labor. Why on earth would I go through the suffering for a reward that doesn't exist?

Buttercup said:
I would advise getting a tubal ligation if you are certain you don't want kids. I did and it's wonderful to never have to worry again about getting pregnant. You cannot imagine how freeing that is....to not have to worry. Ahhhh, it's great.

Sounds nice, but I haven't got the insurance to cover it. My husband was going to get a vasectemy, but we heard from a friend that the local doctors wouldn't perform the operation on him because he didn't already have children. It's not a law or anything...just doctors trying to make decisions for their patients.

Buttercup said:
Not sure if you're a male or female but, if you have children and one of your kids asks questions about how your pregnancy went and what it was like to be pregnant with them, are you going to tell your child you thought it was a parasite?

I agree with Ardhanariswar's position that fetuses are parasites and if I ever did have children, when they grew up enough to understand biology, I would tell them that.

Ardhanariswar · Feb 26, 2006

Buttercup said:
Not sure if you're a male or female but, if you have children and one of your kids asks questions about how your pregnancy went and what it was like to be pregnant with them, are you going to tell your child you thought it was a parasite?

Im male, and I'm gay. I plan on adopting. I don't think (even if I could have children) that the world needs more kids. We're over populated as it is, using up of all the resources God gave us (yeah thats right, I said it).

I think its too selfish to procreate now. Its all about you, and your blood, and how you want to pass down the family name, etc. But what about the kid? The kid is what matters most. Most parents forget that.

So adopt! and I'm not refering only to the blonde haired blue eyed orphan, but also the asian or black baby. Love is love. I'm sure it won't be the same as a blood relationship, but is being related neccesary to give a child a good home and a good life? No.

Buttercup · Feb 26, 2006

Ardhanariswar said:
So adopt! and I'm not refering only to the blonde haired blue eyed orphan, but also the asian or black baby. Love is love. I'm sure it won't be the same as a blood relationship, but is being related neccesary to give a child a good home and a good life? No.

I agree totally with this. But, I think you can love an adopted child just as much as a biological child.

Ardhanariswar · Feb 26, 2006

Buttercup said:
I agree totally with this. But, I think you can love an adopted child just as much as a biological child.

thats what I'm saying! but there are some people out there who believe that its somehow different. I think it is a bit different, but that all depends on how much a parent is willing to let the thought that their child is adopted interfere with their relationship.

Daniel Burbank · Feb 26, 2006

Ardhanariswar said:
To the point where a fetus cannot survive without its mother. Yes, I know babies obviously need thier mother, but they do not rely on mothers in the same way they would in the womb before their birth.

A baby (outside of the mothers body) is not a *parasite* because it doesn't attach itself to the mother in any physical way thats permanant. (breast feeding is not 24/7). If a mother neglected a baby, the baby wouldnt find its way to its mother and glue itself onto her.

No, it would die. It's still incapable of living without the help of others. It's not literally a parasite, but put it this way if you plan on it living, then you can't neglect it because it can't do anything on it's own.

Ardhanariswar · Feb 26, 2006

Daniel Burbank said:
No, it would die. It's still incapable of living without the help of others. It's not literally a parasite, but put it this way if you plan on it living, then you can't neglect it because it can't do anything on it's own.

exactly. but as long as it remains in the womb, it can feed on its own from the cord.

its a far fetched analogy, but it works.

DakotaGypsy · Feb 28, 2006

I am pro-choice because I believe that being pro-choice is being profoundly pro-life.

I value the lives and freedom to choose their own destinies of women over a fertilized egg, a zygote, an embryo, a fetus that is unable to exist outside the womb.

I do not believe that I have the right to tell another woman how to use her own body. I believe that my body, as a woman, totally belongs to me and that I should have autonomy over it, that such authonomy should not be surrendered to the Church or State.

Abortion should be safe.

It should be legal.

It should be accessible.

The State of South Dakota has retreated into the Dark Ages.

Abortion: Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

What is your stance on abortion?

A woman should be allowed to get an abortion at any time for any reason.

Abortions should be allowed, but it should not be used as birth control.

Abortion should be allowed, but only for extreme situations, such as rape.

Abortions should be 100% illegal. Period.

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