The Sum of Awe
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Does anyone here (most likely Christian but open to any believer in a heaven particularly the Abrahamic heaven) believe in a literal war in heaven occurred?
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War in Heaven
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Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Yes, i do.
Anonymouse
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I would like to think that the philosopher’s called it correctly; that heaven is some kind of a peaceful retreat from any physical aggravated disagreements. If heaven is where one goes after one dies, I can’t imagine any war in heaven producing any causalities of consequence. Most likely if a war did break out in heaven, it would probably play out like a Tom and Jerry cartoon.
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Yes, the Bible describes this war. (Revelation 12:7-10) It also mentions earlier struggles between wicked angels and righteous ones. (Daniel 10:12,13)
Man of Faith
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I don't remember reading about a war in Heaven, no.
Horrorble
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Can you please explain how that refers to struggles between wicked and righteous angels?
Man of Faith
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Heaven was created before any humans were created, so things could have happened there, such as satan kicked out and sent to earth before hand, but I'm not sure about a war.
Man of Faith
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How I understand it there was a rebelling in Heaven, but not necessarily a war. Im not saying there wasnt but Im not convinced yet. I believe that God has the power to remove anyone from heaven without needing to war.
Man of Faith
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psychoslice
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Its all metaphorical dear Watson.
Zelophehad
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I started out some years back a Christian who logged onto web sites like this one, as the Rider from Rev 19, and threw Muhammad and Allah into the lake of fire where they belong. I considered the internet the new heaven and earth, where Armageddon/Ragnorok takes place. Whole doing this I had prayed to Jesus. He was there for me in Heaven. We were very close, and he was all I prayed to. After a while I converted away from Jesus, and Armageddon broke out in my personal Heaven. I had a vision about it (I won't go into that now) and Jesus was kicked out of Heaven, and in his place I received every deity from every walk of life. I now am still the Rider online, but now I also throw Moses and YHWH into the lake where they belong. So, Ragnarok takes place on websites just like this one, as we are fighting the war of the Gods. And Ragnarok also takes place in your personal Heaven as Jesus is kicked out, and an army of deities from every other religion/mythology/philosophy stands in his place.
Jesus can enlighten you to the realm of Heaven, but once he does that, he props up YHWH as the only jealous, murdering God in that Heaven. Kicking Jesus out of Heaven freed me from the God of the OT. It freed me from having to cover up for YHWH, and from praising and worshipping open, unrepentant murderers. The Bible is a HUGE weight my shoulders that Jesus puts there. Glad he is gone.
Jesus can enlighten you to the realm of Heaven, but once he does that, he props up YHWH as the only jealous, murdering God in that Heaven. Kicking Jesus out of Heaven freed me from the God of the OT. It freed me from having to cover up for YHWH, and from praising and worshipping open, unrepentant murderers. The Bible is a HUGE weight my shoulders that Jesus puts there. Glad he is gone.
The Sum of Awe
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The Sum of Awe
Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Do you think it is important to put faith in this?
Zelophehad
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I firmly believe every deity from every walk of life, Thor, Mercury, Shiva, Zeus...etc...all exist in Heaven. Every character from every book ever written is a spirit in Heaven. Jesus and his doctrine of terrorism stands in the way of all of them. When you get him and his crazy terroristic laws out of your way, you are left to choose whatever ancient ancestral spirit as your guide. You can choose your spiritual mentor, and feel love from whatever spirit that inspires you. God uses deities. You choose what those deities means to you, and God will use them to communicate with you. God used to use Jesus to talk to me, because that is what Jesus meant to me. Now God uses Buddha, Thor, Odin, or whatever best fits the needs of the day to better communicate. Jesus no longer belongs in my pantheon. He was thrown out.
Anonymouse
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What I am expressing is that there are a lot of variables and none of them seem to bolster that heaven is a paradise, Gods kingdom or a place where humans would want to go after death.
Heaven is proposed to be a spiritual realm. If Satan dropped an anvil on Gods head, I dont think it would connect. What weapons would be used in a spiritual war? How does one know if they won the war?
If a war in heaven did break out, it doesnt appear that it is a paradise and that your chances would be better if you resurrected and spent your afterlife in Mexico.
It also appears that God cant keep and take care of his own turf giving another reason for humans to not accept his heavenly kingdom as some kind of reward for living a good life.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
The account in Daniel 10 describes a visit by one of the angles to Daniel. Daniel is told by the angel that he had wanted to come sooner but he was being opposed by one of the 'princes of persia'
10:13*But the prince of the royal realm of Persia was standing in opposition to me for twenty-one days, and, look! Mi′cha·el, one of the foremost princes, came to help me; and I, for my part, remained there beside the kings of Persia.
Then the angel says that 'Micheal' came to his aid. This Angel was being resisted by another angel.
What the account shows is that in the heavens, there are good angels and bad ones. We call the bad ones 'demons'
These demons cause trouble, not only for people on earth, but also for the righteous angels in heaven. That is, they 'did' cause trouble in heaven until there was the war which saw them all cast down to the earth.
Revelation 12:7*And war broke out in heaven: Mi′cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8*but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9*So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10*And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! 11*And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. 12*On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”
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