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Masturbation

Gaurick

New Member
angel said:
If masturbation is a form of adultry, is having sex with your current boyfriend commiting adultry on you future husband?(if not the same man)

I really like this one! Kudo's to you!!!! Seriously, it's the insecurities of other people that view it as a form of sin, or wrong doing. That's how I see it. It in no way immediately effects the freedoms of another being, at all.
 

Bastet

Vile Stove-Toucher
Love it, do it, don't think it's a sin. :goodjob: Seriously, you wouldn't wanna see me if I gave up masturbating...a sexually frustrated me is not a happy person to be around. :eek:mg: :lol:
 

F_R_O_G

Member
wow six pages on masterbation...

i don't plan to change anyones mind, there is nothing wrong with masterbation but can you name we one time you masterbated and didn't think about a naked woman? and not that i don't masterbate lots but i think it's the lusting for someone that is wrong.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Bastet said:
Love it, do it, don't think it's a sin. :goodjob: Seriously, you wouldn't wanna see me if I gave up masturbating...a sexually frustrated me is not a happy person to be around. :eek:mg: :lol:

:eek:mg: :lol:
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
F_R_O_G said:
wow six pages on masterbation...

i don't plan to change anyones mind, there is nothing wrong with masterbation but can you name we one time you masterbated and didn't think about a naked woman? and not that i don't masterbate lots but i think it's the lusting for someone that is wrong.

What if you're thinking about your wife or partner, or just not thinking about anyone in particular, just a person you've made up in your mind? How can that be wrong or hurtful to anyone?
 

Bastet

Vile Stove-Toucher
Maize said:
F_R_O_G said:
wow six pages on masterbation...

i don't plan to change anyones mind, there is nothing wrong with masterbation but can you name we one time you masterbated and didn't think about a naked woman? and not that i don't masterbate lots but i think it's the lusting for someone that is wrong.

What if you're thinking about your wife or partner, or just not thinking about anyone in particular, just a person you've made up in your mind? How can that be wrong or hurtful to anyone?

Thank you Maize, you saved me from making that point. ;)

But I have another...I'm afraid masturbation and lusting for someone/thing come hand-in-hand. And for the record, I can honestly say there have been times when I have masturbated without a specific person in mind (male/female/real/imaginary). Those times I just wanted to feel the pleasure of an orgasm...plain and simple. And knowing I could give myself that pleasure, was enough to turn me on. I was still lusting, but just for the release, to have that incredible feeling infusing my whole body...not for a specific person to give me that release. I'm not saying that happens all the time, just that it has (invariably when I was single lol), and that it's entirely possible to not think of someone while you're masturbating.
I went for about six months, after I was birth-partner for a friend of mine, where I had absolutely no sexual urges at all. I didn't masturbate in that time...because there was no lust in me. The couple of times I tried didn't work, because you can't masturbate if you can't get aroused.
My point? You can't say masturbation is ok and then condemn lust, it just doesn't work...they are intertwined.
 

Death

Member
There's nothing wrong with lust either, it's just what we're hard-wired to do. It would only be wrong if you hurt someone to satisfy your lust.
 

dan

Well-Known Member
I found this one in the archives, and I think it would be interesting to resurrect it. I'll let you know what I think, and then y'all can tell me why you think I'm wrong.

Masturbation is wrong.

It dulls the senses and the mind to the sanctity and beauty of the sexual act.

It leads young people to see relationships through fragmentative lenses. They see husbands and wives as sexual objects first. They can never really arrive at true intimacy with another person.

You often use pornography or your imagination to arouse yourself. Pornography is intrinsically evil, and unclean thoughts are as well. Every thought will condemn us.

As a man thinketh so he is. Men imagine that thought can be kept secret, but it cannot; it rapidly crystallizes into habit, and habit solidifies into circumstance.

All competent relationship therapists will agree that masturbation is unhealthy to a relationship. It demeans women and sometimes men, and it alienates spouses.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Well you have a right to your opinion, Dan. But, for my own curiousity, I would like you to show some prove of this statement:
All competent relationship therapists will agree that masturbation is unhealthy to a relationship.
 

quick

Member
The Bible indicates clearly, despite much of what is said in this forum, that certain behavior is wrong, and even when reading the verse(s) in context with the entire Scripture, it remains clearly wrong. Other things must be bootstrapped, sometimes over several iterations, to get to a view. I think masturbation falls into the latter category. If someone feels it is Biblically wrong, then they should not do it, but I can see people making a strong argument that the Bible simply is not definitive.

There is one good set of verses that I think addresses matters that fall into the second category:

Romans 14

I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that (23) nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who (24) thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer (25) walking according to love. (26) Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.
16 Therefore (27) do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil;
17 for the kingdom of God (28) is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and (29) peace and (30) joy in the Holy Spirit.
18 For he who in this way (31) serves Christ is (32) acceptable to God and approved by men.
19 So then [1] we (33) pursue the things which make for peace and the (34) building up of one another.
20 (35) Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. (36) All things indeed are clean, but (37) they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense.
21 (38) It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles.
22 The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who (39) does not condemn himself in what he approves.
23 But (40) he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.


Verse 21 is on point--we should not do what causes our brother to stumble, and in that sense, masturbation may be wrong; however, it appears to be a matter of individual conscience.
 
Christians often justify masturbation simply because the Bible does not directly condemn it. I would suggest a different way to look at: instead of asking what the Bible does not condemn, ask what it does promote. When it comes to intimate relationships, I believe that God intended His children to have intercourse for two reasons: (1) as a physical expression of deep love between a married man and woman and (2) to multiply and replenish the earth (to have children). Masturbation, in my opinion, does not fulfill either of these two purposes.

I believe that one of the greatest gifts God has given His children is the power to procreate. Are men and women supposed to enjoy sex? Of course! But I also believe that men and women should respect this sacred gift by using it according to God's will.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
god's will is that I love my body and not be ashamed of it. God gave me a clitoris and I intend to use it, and have my fiance use it. I respect my sacred gift by not being ashamed of it, and by celebrating it. :party:

wa:do
 
painted wolf said:
god's will is that I love my body and not be ashamed of it. I respect my sacred gift by not being ashamed of it, and by celebrating it.

So those of us who choose not to masturbate do not love our bodies? Those of us who choose not to masturbate are ashamed of our bodies? That is news to me, and I do not believe it. I love my body and I am not ashamed of it. People do not need to masturbate in order to love their bodies and celebrate their sexuality. People should love their bodies because they were created "in the image of God" (Genesis 1:27). Now that is something to be proud of.
 

anders

Well-Known Member
I don't love my body. Having no choice, I am glad that I accept it.

Regarding masturbation, I think it is a healhty and necessary practice for young people to learn how their bodies work.

Even St. Paul would regard it better than if, say, a single person or a person in a loving relationship would buy sex or indulge in very temporary liasons.

However, if it becomes an obsession, the afflicted person probably should seek professional advice - and I don't mean religious professionals.
 
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