For Jesus believers: What is Jesus coming to fix?

Is it he has one physical eye in the center of his physical face? That seems to me to be impossible. Why not look up "cyclops google images"?

Also, it seems to me to be true, that, only somewhat handsome men are allowed by the people to rule.

If the word that leads the followers of Yeshua is wrong then when he returns he will fix it. I think the words were for leading us to him. They have not led us to him. Now he must come to us. His purpose in life was his word. His word is not being agreed on. That is what he must fix.

It would be interesting to hear all Your imagintive scenerios about how that will turn out.

savagewind said:

Is it he has one physical eye in the center of his physical face? That seems to me to be impossible. Why not look up "cyclops google images"?

Also, it seems to me to be true, that, only somewhat handsome men are allowed by the people to rule.

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Sorry, I made a mistake. I re-checked the Islamic resources and confirmed that he has the left eye only replaced with deformed facial skin and has no eyebrow. He can see with the right eye only. His forehead has what's closely can be read as "blasphemy" written on it, only believers can see it. The nature of how it is written or can be seen was not clarified further.

I don't think good looks is the only factor in choosing a ruler. Specially if it is a powerful tyrant that can take over without the consent of the people. I'm handsome but by all means I'll never be fit to rule

savagewind said:

I cannot dispute that. I see a problem. Can Christ be present but also return? In other words if you are expecting his return will you miss his presence?

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Yes. Where two or three are gathered in His name, there He is among them. And He is always with us, even unto the end of the ages--after all, He is the omnipresent God. He is always with us invisibly. However, He is currently absent physically. His Second Coming will be when He comes back to Earth from Heaven, physical body and all.

Shiranui117 said:

Yes. Where two or three are gathered in His name, there He is among them. And He is always with us, even unto the end of the ages--after all, He is the omnipresent God. He is always with us invisibly. However, He is currently absent physically. His Second Coming will be when He comes back to Earth from Heaven, physical body and all.

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He said he was no part of the world. When he comes back he will be part of the world. Yes?

Will his physical body be immune to destruction by anything?

When Jesus comes back "physically", if he was shot by a machine gun, or if a bomb was dropped on his sleeping quarters, what would happen to his physical self, please?

Someone might say that when Jesus returns "physically" there will be no guns or bombs. Is that right?

Also, will he be as his physical self forever..and ever....and ever....and ever?

I believe Jesus will return to rule and reign from Jerusalem and bring peace to the earth as foretold by the prophets under the inspiration of God.

InChrist said:

I believe Jesus will return to rule and reign from Jerusalem and bring peace to the earth as foretold by the prophets under the inspiration of God.

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I know that. Jerusalem the place? Do you believe he will return like a man?

savagewind said:

When Jesus comes back "physically", if he was shot by a machine gun, or if a bomb was dropped on his sleeping quarters, what would happen to his physical self, please?

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First, I don't believe Jesus will be physical as human beings are physical now. The scriptures indicate that His resurrected body is glorified as are those believers who are resurrected will also have an eternal glorified body as He has.

And when He reigns upon the earth there will be no more guns, bombs, or war.

He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:4

savagewind said:

I know that. Jerusalem the place? Do you believe he will return like a man?

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I believe He will return as a glorified man as He left ...Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” Acts 1:9-11

InChrist said:

First, I don't believe Jesus will be physical as human beings are physical now. The scriptures indicate that His resurrected body is glorified as are those believers who are resurrected will also have an eternal glorified body as He has.

And when He reigns upon the earth there will be no more guns, bombs, or war.

He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:4

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"When he reigns there will be no guns, bombs or war". Guns, bombs and war are three of Earth's biggest problems. When he arrives will they have been eliminated? Or will he do the eliminating? If HE does the eliminating they will still be present as he arrives, or not? Will he eliminate them as a non physical being? Or will he eliminate them as a physical being? Or will WE cause them to be eliminated?

Nobody knows. OK. I have evidence that at least some of my threads are being read.

Let's reason. OK?

Does it make sense to you that he will arrive physically while men (and women, of course) have bomb power?

savagewind said:

"When he reigns there will be no guns, bombs or war". Guns, bombs and war are three of Earth's biggest problems. When he arrives will they have been eliminated? Or will he do the eliminating? If HE does the eliminating they will still be present as he arrives, or not? Will he eliminate them as a non physical being? Or will he eliminate them as a physical being? Or will WE cause them to be eliminated?

Nobody knows. OK. I have evidence that at least some of my threads are being read.

Let's reason. OK?

Does it make sense to you that he will arrive physically while men (and women, of course) have bomb power?

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I am not sure I understand your dilemma over physical and non-physical in reference to Jesus at His return. It seems that you feel if He is physical He will be as we are now and limited by being physical. Am I understanding correctly or not?

I think the scriptures say and show that He will return very much physically, yet in a glorified state in power and might with more power than any bomb or army of this world. In Revelation it says He will strike the nations armies which are gathered together by the sword of His mouth (Rev. 19:15) and elsewhere in the scriptures it shown that the sword of the is the word of God and that Jesus is the Word of God. So He will only need speak a word to have victory over any weapon of mankind.

And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. Revelation 19:19-21


I don't think sinful humanity is capable of peace without God's intervention. I believe the scriptures reveal that It will be Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, who will at His return to save Israel will have victory and bring peace starting at Jerusalem and to the whole world. During His reign all weapons of war will be destroyed. In Ezekiel 39 the scriptures speak of the people of Israel burning the weapons, which were meant for their destruction, for seven years

savagewind said:

I am observing most Christians are expecting Jesus to return. I have heard he will fix things for believers. What is he going to fix, according to you?

One scenario is he will do away with the opposition. How do you think he will know who they are?

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This question must be denied, if you remember His word:
John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

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I do not understand when people say he will be "physical". What does it mean please? Is energy physical? Then I understand he can be physical. Most of us are not able to see energy but it is present and we all can experience it.

Is his physical presence something that can be seen like a machine or is something that cannot be seen like energy?

savagewind said:

Why don't the people wake up?

Does the god our fathers did not know mean the willingness to accept the antichrist because it is by the antichrist that the end will come?

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Jesus is a major sign of the end of the world.

savagewind said:

"When he reigns there will be no guns, bombs or war". Guns, bombs and war are three of Earth's biggest problems. When he arrives will they have been eliminated? Or will he do the eliminating? If HE does the eliminating they will still be present as he arrives, or not? Will he eliminate them as a non physical being? Or will he eliminate them as a physical being? Or will WE cause them to be eliminated?

Nobody knows. OK. I have evidence that at least some of my threads are being read.

Let's reason. OK?

Does it make sense to you that he will arrive physically while men (and women, of course) have bomb power?

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I think, thinking realistically would help. How would the peace and unity come to earth? I think it would come when the world of humanity becomes mature enough. How would christ return cause the humanity to become mature enough so it abondons disunity and take world peace as a whole? I think when Humanity is trained by the Word of God, that maturity comes. Therefore in His return He must bring new Teachings that teaches how to establish universal peace and unity practically. Does that happen overnight? Realistically no.
Moreover realistically speaking, did Jesus raise with His physical body after three days, or the Scripture was written symbolically?
So for example when according to Scriptures, John was the return of Elijah, is it not realistic to say, by return of Jesus is meant someone else like Him?

savagewind said:

I do not understand when people say he will be "physical". What does it mean please? Is energy physical? Then I understand he can be physical. Most of us are not able to see energy but it is present and we all can experience it.

Is his physical presence something that can be seen like a machine or is something that cannot be seen like energy?

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To be honest I do not fully understand what a glorified body will be like. I can only go by the scriptures which testify that Jesus appeared in a glorified body when He was transfigured before three of the disciples, as did Moses and Elijah also, and the disciples recognized them (Matthew 17:3; Mark 9:2-4; Luke 9:29-31) . Jesus again appeared to many after His resurrection. I don't have time a t the moment to look up all the verses, but I will if you like later. Then He is described again in Revelation 1:13-16. Clearly, at least in the scriptures Jesus Christ has an appearance which is visible which we will see as the scriptures also state that every eye will see Him when He returns (Rev. 1:7)

How will our resurrection body be different from our current body?

Clearly, at least in the scriptures Jesus Christ has an appearance which is visible which we will see as the scriptures also state that every eye will see Him when He returns (Rev. 1:7)

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I do not know if Revelation 1:7 says every eye will see HIM. Can anyone prove the pronoun is "him"? αὐτὸν can mean "it" or "his" as at Matthew 5:15, Matthew 5:29, Matthew 14:22, Matthew 9:31, Matthew 21:13, Matthew 21:33.

Who said it means "him" and why do you believe it?

Behold he is coming with the clouds and will see _____ every eye.

It is custom to believe it means every eye will see him coming.

Let's just say it means every eye will see his "coming with the clouds". The coming with the clouds is the subject of the pronoun αὐτὸν . Coming with the clouds is IT, the pronoun.

A few people will recognize he is accompanying the clouds. Most people will see "the clouds", whatever that means.

What about Noah? What did he see coming in the clouds?