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Can sinners really be Christains?

The last time I checked, EVERYBODY sins on a daily basis. I know the whole idea that you should REPENT of your sins as much as you sin. So, how can these scriptures about sinning be accurate?

1 John 3:4-6
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

1John 3:9-10
9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
He was speaking of a sub-type of Christian, Super Christian, even putting on their pants or grinding grains was done in a spiritually-anointed manner. They became extinct circa 120 A.D.
 
Sin= without, in debt, in the red rather than in the black.
You are reading a commercial term.
1 John 3:4-6
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
Absolutely, if you don't pay your debts the economy suffers.
And if you are born of God, not a child of God or anyone else, cause then you are not responsible in their eyes (those who set the agenda, those who commissioned the book) and in need of a guardian, if you are following your faculties and not that of Lord God, your boss or that of the King of Egypt for example, Ex 1. If you have your own mind and you can think for yourself and are a 'member of a House' as opposed to a family , you will have no sin, no debt to redeem.
 

SkylarHunter

Active Member
Hello. Sin comes from imperfection so yes, we are all sinners. Christians are people who follow the teachings of Christ (most christian religions don't actually know or care about what the bible says but that's a discussion for another day).
All humans are sinners and they can be christian if they chose to. The scriptures you quote refer to making a choice. Despite our imperfections we can choose to obey God and do our best to follow His principles.
 
Hello. Sin comes from imperfection so yes, we are all sinners. Christians are people who follow the teachings of Christ (most christian religions don't actually know or care about what the bible says but that's a discussion for another day).
All humans are sinners and they can be christian if they chose to. The scriptures you quote refer to making a choice. Despite our imperfections we can choose to obey God and do our best to follow His principles.

Yes, but it goes on to say that if you are of God (which you already made the choice to be with Him), then you will no longer CONTINUE to sin. There are 2.2 Billion people who CHOSE Him, however, they all CONTINUE to sin. Does it mean that once you have chosen Him, then you sins will be covered through Jesus? If so, does that make it ok to sin if it's covered by Jesus?
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
The last time I checked, EVERYBODY sins on a daily basis. I know the whole idea that you should REPENT of your sins as much as you sin. So, how can these scriptures about sinning be accurate?

1 John 3:4-6
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

1John 3:9-10
9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.


Jesus didn't have speed limits to break on the freeway or red lights to run in an intersection. So to follow his lifestyle is ridiculous.
 
Jesus didn't have speed limits to break on the freeway or red lights to run in an intersection. So to follow his lifestyle is ridiculous.

Are those really sins? And if to follow his lifestyle is ridiculous, then why create a whole religion after him? The whole meaning of Christian is to be Christ-like. But if people can't do it, then why they continue to be apart of the religion named after him. Now I have to ask, what is sin? Lawlessness. But what if the law causes one to sin? Would that sin not be considered a sin? Well the best example is the death penalty. Thou shalt not kill unless the law allows you to isn't apart of the bible yet it's a common practice today. I thought there was a period after kill but I could be wrong.
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
Are those really sins? And if to follow his lifestyle is ridiculous, then why create a whole religion after him? The whole meaning of Christian is to be Christ-like. But if people can't do it, then why they continue to be apart of the religion named after him. Now I have to ask, what is sin? Lawlessness. But what if the law causes one to sin? Would that sin not be considered a sin? Well the best example is the death penalty. Thou shalt not kill unless the law allows you to isn't apart of the bible yet it's a common practice today. I thought there was a period after kill but I could be wrong.


Breaking laws is sin. I've asked Christians if they turn themselves in to the court voluntarily when the drive faster then the speed limit. They never have answered.
 

no-body

Well-Known Member
Matthew 9:13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Breaking laws is sin. I've asked Christians if they turn themselves in to the court voluntarily when the drive faster then the speed limit. They never have answered.

When I drive faster than the speed limit it is only by such a small amount that the police would think I am wasting their time to report myself. I have never reported myself for speeding. That is one answer. Now remember that and never say never again. ;)
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
Matthew 9:13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

It also says the sick are the ones in need of a doctor, so that phrase doesnt really negate the point of the OP.

Its also interesting because the phrase presoposes that righteous people are around and they dont need him.
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
You can't really expect most people who do a 20 second get-me-saved prayer to be superlatively righteous, full of compassionate-wisdom, joy and love in real life. Going to church every Sunday for social acceptability or community events...not so much either.

This is common Christianity. Everybody knows it. It most often leads to nothing else than saying you believe in God and Jesus at the end of the day which you lived as if you never heard of God or Jesus.

It is up to people to decide that common Christianity is superficial nonsense and to live like they really are a disciple.

Most people don't want to hear the tough news, just the good news. Hard work? Transform my self and not just make belief claims?

Heck no, I like TV religion... Cultural, patriotic, just happens to be my religion type of religion.

If you keep your eyes and ears open you will see and hear people who are the real deal but they won't have a big cross on a T-shirt. Maybe helping the homeless or quietly touchings lives elsewhere.
 

nazz

Doubting Thomas
The last time I checked, EVERYBODY sins on a daily basis. I know the whole idea that you should REPENT of your sins as much as you sin. So, how can these scriptures about sinning be accurate?

1 John 3:4-6
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

1John 3:9-10
9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

This has greatly puzzled me as well but I will just point out the author seems to contradict the idea here:

1Jo 5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I believe those verses are referring to people who continue to sin with no desire to repent. Being a Christian does not mean that you will be automatically sinless from the time you became Christian onwards. Just that when you do sin, you desire to repent and turn away from your sins. It's a continual process.
 
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