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My POV, idk

MV,
We are two desperate-st people desperate-ing over the dasyu globe, sitting at the opposite poles of it, aren't we?
Lighten up buddy, we at least somewhat get it what MitraVaruna means or what DyavaPrithvi signifies. When it is day here in India, it is night there in America, and vice-versa, isn't it?
Getting to know the Veda on the dint of our own effort has been the mother of all adventures, isn't it?

Jainarayana,
India doesn't need that amount, if we go by the billions that India has been giving out to its neighbour countries (including Pakistan) from its own foreign aid fund reserves. But if someone is hell bent on giving aid to India, She will surely not decline. (And don't raise such strawmen, as I said I'm not interested)
 
By and large foreigners are seen by the average Hindu in India as people who, though distributing some goodies (which he is more than glad to accept), are out to get much more in the end than they are out to "give".

Every nickel has a high price set on it. Thankfully India as a nation don't need it anymore, but unfortunately many African countries still do, and the results have been devastating for them, and indeed, it is called "blood money" there.

I wished I could wash it away.
 

Jainarayan

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मैत्रावरुणिः;3603133 said:
So, that's how Sonia made $2 billion dollars in a matter of few years!!!!

Quite possibly.

India doesn't need that amount, if we go by the billions that India has been giving out to its neighbour countries (including Pakistan) from its own foreign aid fund reserves. But if someone is hell bent on giving aid to India, She will surely not decline. (And don't raise such strawmen, as I said I'm not interested)

If India does not need it, nor are you interested then refuse it. There is no strawman; you trashed Americans with a broad stroke, but you willingly accept our $$, personally condone it and personally partake of it one way or another. Moreover, you participate on a privately-owned forum domiciled in the US. That is hypocrisy.
 

Poeticus

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I think KT was painting Americans with a broad brush. I'm American and I'm Indian too. But, there isn't really that much of a difference, unless the Indian American doesn't identify him/herself as Indian, where I, on the other hand, definitely identify myself as an Indian, speak various Indic languages, and in the house of my parents, express myself through a specific regional Indic culture (which is what I said in my Hindi response). But, if I'm out of the house and with my American amigos, then I'm "American" as they come. I have already made a couple posts on here how I'm very proud to be an American; I have been given the opportunity to settle in this country and make a name for myself and pave a path to future monetary success and acquire knowledge at a specific educational institution. I don't know what more I could ask. I have all that I need, pretty much, and I make strong attempts to take full advantage of those opportunities and situations like any good, law-abiding, rational American would. Thank you, America. And, thank you Monsters Inc.!
 

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I think there may be more deleted messages in this thread than posted ones (maybe that's not such a bad idea, eh?).
 
That is hypocrisy.
I agree.
If India does not need it, nor are you interested then refuse it.
I only hope after the next years election that is corrected.
Moreover, you participate on a privately-owned forum domiciled in the US.
This one also seems reasonable, going by the ways of the world. So I guess, this is it. ba-bye RF, dear members. So far so good.

Kalicharan Tuvij
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I did not know that. How did you learn it?

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Aupmanyav

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मैत्रावरुणिः;3602912 said:
Here's the hymn citation: R.V.7.41 and the verse that I posted is R.V.7.41.3.
Bhaga our guide, Bhaga whose gifts are faithful, favour this song, and give us wealth, O Bhaga.
Bhaga, augment our store of kine and horses, Bhaga, may we be rich in men and heroes.
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 7: HYMN XLI. Bhaga.

BTW, if I go by tradition, Book 7 was written by my forebears, the Vasishthas.

As for Adityas, Tilak has more to say:

"Thus in IX, 114, 3, seven Âdityas and seven priests are mentioned together, though the names of the different suns are not given therein. In II, 27 1, Mitra, Aryaman, Bhaga, Varuṇa, Dakṣha and Aṁsha are mentioned by name as so many different Âdityas but the seventh is not named.

.. and this omission is supplied, by the Taittirîya Brâhmaṇa (I, I, 9, I ƒ). The Brâhmaṇa tells us that Aditi cooked the oblation four times and each time the gods gave her the remnant of the oblation. Four pairs of sons were thus born to her; the first pair was Dhâtṛi and Aryaman, the second Mitra and Varuṇa, the third Aṁsha and Bhag and the fourth Indra and Vivasvat.

Thus instead, of 'tvat punaḥ Mârtâṇḍam â abharat' (she brought again Mârtâṇḍa thither for birth and death), the Araṇyaka reads 'tat parâ Mârtâṇḍam â abharat' (she set aside Mârtâṇḍa for birth and death). The Araṇyaka then proceeds to give the names of the eight sons, as Mitra, Varuṇa, Dhâtṛi, Aryaman, Aṁsha, Bhaga, Indra and Vivasvat.

There is, however, another passage in the Âraṇaka (I, 7, 1-6) which throws some light on the nature of these Âdityas.* The names of the suns here given are different. They are: — Aroga, Bhrâja, Patara, Patanga, Svarṇara, Jyotiṣhîmat, Vibhâsa and Kashyapa; ..

The Âraṇyaka admits, to a certain extent the force of this objection, but says — 'aṣhṭau to vyavasitâḥ', meaning that the number eight is settled by the text of the scripture, and there is no further arguing about it. The Shatapatha Brâhmaṇa, III, 1, 3, 3, explains the legend of Aditi somewhat on the same lines. It says that seven alone of Aditi’s sons are styled Devâḥ Âdityâḥ (the gods Âdityas) by men, and that the eighth Mârtâṇḍa was born undeveloped, whereupon the Âditya gods created man and other animals out of him. In two other passages of the Shatapath Brâhmaṇa, VI, 1, 2, 8, and XI, 6, 3, 8, the number of dityas Âis, however, given as twelve. In the first (VI, 1, 2, 8) they are said to have sprung from twelve drops generated by Prâjapati and then placed in different regions (dikṣhu); while in second (XI, 6, 3, 8)* these twelve Âdityas are identified with the twelve months of the year."
Lokamanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak — The Arctic Home in the Vedas — Chapter 7, page 139 onwards.
 

Aupmanyav

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मैत्रावरुणिः;3602952 said:
Yes, very true. I also like how Savitur, O' Most Beloved Sun, is also given this attribution, like every other Shri God:

devasya savitur vayam vAjantaH puramdhyA bhagasya rAtim Imahe (from "Gayatri Hymn", R.V.3.62.11)
The name is Savitr. The usage is Savituh (सवितुः) - of the Savitr or of the God's.
 

Aupmanyav

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If India does not need it, nor are you interested then refuse it.
Do you refuse a gift? That is arrogance. But we have to co-exist. We have our interests, you have yours. We understand that. We bought the 68 jets – 8 Boeing 777-200LR Worldliners, 15 Boeing 777-300ER,18 Boeing 737–800 and 27 Boeing 787–8 Dreamliners for God knows how many billions of dollars, but did not buy F-16 or F/A-18E/F Super Hornet for 13 billion dollars, and chose the French aircraft Rafale. We need 126 aircrafts. :)
 
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Poeticus

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Bhaga our guide, Bhaga whose gifts are faithful, favour this song, and give us wealth, O Bhaga.
Bhaga, augment our store of kine and horses, Bhaga, may we be rich in men and heroes.
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 7: HYMN XLI. Bhaga.

BTW, if I go by tradition, Book 7 was written by my forebears, the Vasishthas.

As for Adityas, Tilak has more to say:

"Thus in IX, 114, 3, seven Âdityas and seven priests are mentioned together, though the names of the different suns are not given therein. In II, 27 1, Mitra, Aryaman, Bhaga, Varuṇa, Dakṣha and Aṁsha are mentioned by name as so many different Âdityas but the seventh is not named.

.. and this omission is supplied, by the Taittirîya Brâhmaṇa (I, I, 9, I ƒ). The Brâhmaṇa tells us that Aditi cooked the oblation four times and each time the gods gave her the remnant of the oblation. Four pairs of sons were thus born to her; the first pair was Dhâtṛi and Aryaman, the second Mitra and Varuṇa, the third Aṁsha and Bhag and the fourth Indra and Vivasvat.

Thus instead, of 'tvat punaḥ Mârtâṇḍam â abharat' (she brought again Mârtâṇḍa thither for birth and death), the Araṇyaka reads 'tat parâ Mârtâṇḍam â abharat' (she set aside Mârtâṇḍa for birth and death). The Araṇyaka then proceeds to give the names of the eight sons, as Mitra, Varuṇa, Dhâtṛi, Aryaman, Aṁsha, Bhaga, Indra and Vivasvat.

There is, however, another passage in the Âraṇaka (I, 7, 1-6) which throws some light on the nature of these Âdityas.* The names of the suns here given are different. They are: — Aroga, Bhrâja, Patara, Patanga, Svarṇara, Jyotiṣhîmat, Vibhâsa and Kashyapa; ..

The Âraṇyaka admits, to a certain extent the force of this objection, but says — 'aṣhṭau to vyavasitâḥ', meaning that the number eight is settled by the text of the scripture, and there is no further arguing about it. The Shatapatha Brâhmaṇa, III, 1, 3, 3, explains the legend of Aditi somewhat on the same lines. It says that seven alone of Aditi’s sons are styled Devâḥ Âdityâḥ (the gods Âdityas) by men, and that the eighth Mârtâṇḍa was born undeveloped, whereupon the Âditya gods created man and other animals out of him. In two other passages of the Shatapath Brâhmaṇa, VI, 1, 2, 8, and XI, 6, 3, 8, the number of dityas Âis, however, given as twelve. In the first (VI, 1, 2, 8) they are said to have sprung from twelve drops generated by Prâjapati and then placed in different regions (dikṣhu); while in second (XI, 6, 3, 8)* these twelve Âdityas are identified with the twelve months of the year."
Lokamanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak — The Arctic Home in the Vedas — Chapter 7, page 139 onwards.

Sorry, but I don't really care what Tilak has to say. You do realize no one, besides you, takes him seriously.

The name is Savitr. The usage is Savituh (सवितुः) - of the Savitr or of the God's.

It's actually Savitā.
 

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Do you refuse a gift? That is arrogance. But we have to co-exist. We have our interests, you have yours. We understand that. We bought the 68 jets – 8 Boeing 777-200LR Worldliners, 15 Boeing 777-300ER,18 Boeing 737–800 and 27 Boeing 787–8 Dreamliners for God knows how many billions of dollars, but did not buy F-16 or F/A-18E/F Super Hornet for 13 billion dollars, and chose the French aircraft Rafale. We need 126 aircrafts. :)

You are correct that there are business and trade necessities among countries. However, my point was and still is that no matter how much money, whether it was a loan or a gift, especially if it is a gift or a loan debt forgiven, KT had no right to lash out at Americans, claiming we have "blood on our hands". Of all the arrogance, effrontery and temerity.

It is tiresome to hear some Indians (not all Indians) on internet forums, in newspapers, broadcasts and other media blaming everyone and everything else for India's problems. It is Indians themselves who are their own worst enemies. I for one am calling out ******** on it now when I see it, and have no more sympathy or patience for it. India needs to pull itself up by the bootstraps, put on its big boy pants and end the pity party.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
मैत्रावरुणिः;3604014 said:
Sorry, but I don't really care what Tilak has to say. You do realize no one, besides you, takes him seriously.
That is a bit unfortunate. Because it is well referenced.

Sanskrit word Transliteration Grammar English word Edit (Login)
सावित्र sAvitra adj. relating to sAvitra i.e. karNa edit
सावित्र sAvitra adj. belonging to the solar dynasty edit
सावित्र sAvitra adj. relating or belonging to the sun edit
सावित्र sAvitra adj. accompanied or effected by the sAvitri verse edit
सावित्र sAvitra adj. derived or descended from the sun edit
सावित्र sAvitra m. Brahman edit
सावित्र sAvitra m. embryo or fetus edit
सावित्र sAvitra m. particular oblation edit
सावित्र sAvitra m. sun edit
सावित्र sAvitra m. son or descendant of sun edit
सावित्र sAvitra m. particular kind of ladleful edit
सावित्र sAvitra m. particular fire edit
सवित्र savitra n. instrument of production edit
सावित्र sAvitra n. initiation into membership of the twice-born classes by reciting the sAvitri verse and investing with the sacred thread edit
सवित्र savitra n. cause of generation edit
सावित्र sAvitra n. sacred thread edit
http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?script=HK&beginning=0+&tinput=सवित्र&trans=Translate&direction=AU

1 savitR m. (for 2. see below) an impeller , exciter , vivifier VS. Br. 2.
2 savitR m. a stimulator , rouser , vivifier (applied to Tvasht2r2i) RV. iii , 55 , 19 ; x , 10 , 5 ; N. of a sun-deity (accord. to Naigh. belonging to the atmosphere as well as to heaven ; and sometimes in the Veda identified with , at other times distinguishead from Su1rya , `" the Sun "' , being conceived of and personified as the divine influence and vivifying power of the sun , while Su1rya is the more concrete conception ; accord. to Sa1y. the sun before rising is called Savitr2i , and after rising till its setting Su1rya ; eleven whole hymns of the RV. and parts of others [e.g. i , 35 ; ii , 38 ; iii , 62 , 10-12 &c.] are devoted to the praise of Savitir2i ; he has golden hands , arms , hair &c. ; he is also reckoned among the A1dityas [q.v.] , and is even worshipped as `" of all creatures "' , supporting the world and delivering his votaries from sin ; the celebrated verse RV. iii , 62 , 10 , called %{gAyatrI} and %{sAvitrI} [qq.vv.] is addressed to him) RV. &c. &c. ; the orb of the sun (in its ordinary form) or its god (his wife is Pr2is3ni) MBh. Ka1v. &c. ; N. of one of the 28 Vya1sas VP. ; of S3iva or Indra L. ; Calotrcpis Gigantea L. ; (%{-trI}) f. see below.
http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/
 
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Aupmanyav

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However, my point was and still is that no matter how much money, whether it was a loan or a gift, especially if it is a gift or a loan debt forgiven, KT had no right to lash out at Americans, ..
Oh, yes. We are ourselves to blame for most of our problems. Others also have created some. Particularly, the murders of some of our nuclear and aerospace scientists and engineers, a-la-Iran, and bringing our space scientists under suspicion for espionage, fire in our computer chips factory, etc. You can say real-politik, the way the game is played among nations.
 

Aupmanyav

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"SAVITR

This god is celebrated in eleven entire hymns and in many detached stanzas as well. He is pre-eminently a golden deity: the epithets golden-eyed, golden-handed, and golden-tongued are peculiar to him. His car and its pole are golden. It is drawn by two or more brown, white-footed horses. He has mighty golden splendour which he diffuses, illuminating heaven, earth, and air. He raises aloft his strong golden arms, with which be arouses and blesses all beings, and which extend to the ends of the earth. He moves in his golden car, seeing all creatures, on a downward and an upward path. Shining with the rays of the sun, yellow-haired, Savitr raises up his light continually from the east. His ancient paths in the air are dustless and easy to traverse, and on them he protects his worshippers; for he conveys the departed spirit to where the righteous dwell. He removes evil dreams, and makes men sinless; he drives away demons and sorcerers. He observes fixed laws; the waters and the wind are subject to him. The other gods follow his lead; and no being can resist his will. In one stanza (iii. 62, 10) he is besought to stimulate the thoughts of worshippers who desire to think of the glory of god Savitr. This is the celebrated Savitri stanza which has been a morning prayer in India for more than three thousand years. Savitr is often distinguished from Surya (vii. 63), as when he is said to shine with the rays of the Sun, to impel the sun, or to declare men sinless to the sun. But in other passages it is hardly possible to keep the two deities apart.

Savitr is connected with the evening as well as the morning; for at his command night comes and he brings all beings to rest.

The word Savitr is derived from the root su to stimulate, which is constantly and almost exclusively used with it in such a way as to form a perpetual play on the name of the god. In nearly half its occurrences the name is accompanied by devá god, when it means the 'Stimulator god'. He was thus originally a solar deity in the capacity of the great stimulator of life and motion in the world."
A Vedic Reader (Excerpts)
 

Jainarayan

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Others also have created some. Particularly, the murders of some of our nuclear and aerospace scientists and engineers, a-la-Iran, and bringing our space scientists under suspicion for espionage, fire in our computer chips factory, etc. You can say real-politik, the way the game is played among nations.

Yes, I agree with that. It is endemic to the world stage. Few countries are immune to that.
 
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