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Genesis is Metaphorical for goodness sakes!
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FranklinMichaelV.3
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1 Corin 10:11
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You're are spinning. Proverbs 25:2 and Matthew 11:25 what is the relationship?
I do not like to just throw scripture at people left and right. You have made two connections let us discuss them. To not do so will just result in confusion. But first will you acknowledge that you had originally posted the wrong verse and chapter?
FranklinMichaelV.3
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Who do you think will be the Kings in and Priest in the ages to come, those who have the faith of a child.
I'm sure you can make that connection. Do you think that is what the writer was conveying? Does it change that kings were considered wise and the following verses in proverbs speak of how the hearts of kings are unknowable and a king is to pick wise council?
Do you think that Jesus was making a pass at the priests of the time pointing out how they think they are wise in the scripture when they are not?
Is it at all possible is that you are using the term hidden in both these verses to form a connection when the two verses are using hidden in different contexts?
I am not going to admit nothing to you.You're are spinning. Proverbs 25:2 and Matthew 11:25 what is the relationship?
I do not like to just throw scripture at people left and right. You have made two connections let us discuss them. To not do so will just result in confusion. But first will you acknowledge that you had originally posted the wrong verse and chapter?
But I do have a verse for you that fits you to a T
14But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.
FranklinMichaelV.3
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I am not going to admit nothing to you.
But I do have a verse for you that fits you to a T
14But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.
I don't think that fits me at all. I also don't think you like someone challenging your opinions, because I have been polite to you this entire time pointing out what I was discussing while you keep moving the goal posts.
It reminds me of those who are so focus on the small stick in others eyes but ignore the huge one in their own. I don't think you're that kind of person since I do not know you well enough to make that claim. But your words right now seem to indicate otherwise.
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Really, then tell me what a spirtual man is?I don't think that fits me at all. I also don't think you like someone challenging your opinions, because I have been polite to you this entire time pointing out what I was discussing while you keep moving the goal posts.
It reminds me of those who are so focus on the small stick in others eyes but ignore the huge one in there's. I don't think you're that kind of person since I do not know you well enough to make that claim. But your words right now seem to indicate otherwise.
How about answering my valid questions I have asked over and over again and you refuse to address?
A spiritual man seeks, knocks and ask something you are afraid to do and does not try to fit God's Word in his limited understanding but seeks what God's Word is saying.
A goat is a believer in Matthew 25; I bet you will disagree. And IF you agree explain why? This is one small example how God hides His glory.
FranklinMichaelV.3
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Really, then tell me what a spirtual man is?
How about answering my valid questions I have asked over and over again and you refuse to address?
A spiritual man seeks, knocks and ask something you are afraid to do and does not try to fit God's Word in his limited understanding but seeks what God's Word is saying.
A goat is a believer in Matthew 25; I bet you will disagree. And IF you agree explain why? This is one small example how God hides His glory.
I was discussing your quote that lists Matthew 25:25-26 which says that Jesus knelt down and said thanks to God for hiding things from the wise and revealing it to those who are childlike. That is the incorrect chapter the actual chapter is Mathew 11:25.
The manner of hiding is different in those cases as proverbs indicates that the glory of kings is to seek what God has hidden. This can also be taken to mean that kings were to understand the ways of the world both the natural and social.
Jesus was pointing out how the priests may have thought themselves wise but they were not.
This does not mean God does not hide but how hidden is being used is different in the context of those verses.
I don't think I can make it any more clearer in what I am trying to say. If I cannot answer your questions it is because you are either not satisfied with the answer, I do not understand the question, or you keep moving the goal post to try to show your wisdom.
Point being God hides His deep Word? Something you did not admit in the beginning of the debate . Who does he hide things from? The world and the religious who refuse to seeI was discussing your quote that lists Matthew 25:25-26 which says that Jesus knelt down and said thanks to God for hiding things from the wise and revealing it to those who are childlike. That is the incorrect chapter the actual chapter is Mathew 11:25.
The manner of hiding is different in those cases as proverbs indicates that the glory of kings is to seek what God has hidden. This can also be taken to mean that kings were to understand the ways of the world both the natural and social.
Jesus was pointing out how the priests may have thought themselves wise but they were not.
This does not mean God does not hide but how hidden is being used is different in the context of those verses.
I don't think I can make it any more clearer in what I am trying to say. If I cannot answer your questions it is because you are either not satisfied with the answer, I do not understand the question, or you keep moving the goal post to try to show your wisdom.
Just like the goat is a believer in Matthew 25 most religious see the goat as a non believer?
How do you seeit???
FranklinMichaelV.3
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Point being God hides His deep Word? Something you did not admit in the beginning of the debate . Who does he hide things from? The world and the religious who refuse to see
Just like the goat is a believer in Matthew 25 most religious see the goat as a non believer?
How do you seeit???
Actually I said that what you are using hiding to mean is not what you think. In proverbs what is being hidden is for kings to discover but it does not seem to mean that it is hidden from the wise. Matthew 11:25 does point that it is hidden from the wise.
Jesus Christ did not believe Genesis was metaphorical, but historical reality.
Really? How did you learn that???
I love how you are so wise and avoid the real questionsActually I said that what you are using hiding to mean is not what you think. In proverbs what is being hidden is for kings to discover but it does not seem to mean that it is hidden from the wise. Matthew 11:25 does point that it is hidden from the wise.
goat????
FranklinMichaelV.3
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I love how you are so wise and avoid the real questions
goat????
That was not the real question. You are moving the goal post again.
If you want
To discuss the difference in goats and
Sheep you will not that sheep and goats are all animals own by their master. However goats are creatures that aren't easily herded like sheep, arguably they are harder to train and direct compared to sheep who will follow.
It is for that reason some take goats to be non believers, because the goat does not follow the Shepard like sheep do.
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That was not the real question. You are moving the goal post again.
If you want
To discuss the difference in goats and
Sheep you will not that sheep and goats are all animals own by their master. However goats are creatures that aren't easily herded like sheep, arguably they are harder to train and direct compared to sheep who will follow.
It is for that reason some take goats to be non believers, because the goat does not follow the Shepard like sheep do.
Can you take a spiritual stand and gives us your view? And then I will explain why goats are believers not non believers and then we can get on with this debate??
FranklinMichaelV.3
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Can you take a spiritual stand and gives us your view? And then I will explain why goats are believers not non believers and then we can get on with this debate??
My view is that things should be read in context. When telling the parable of the sheep and goat, what would that have meant to people at the time who actually dealt with goat and sheep.
Can you take a spiritual stand and gives us your view?My view is that things should be read in context. When telling the parable of the sheep and goat, what would that have meant to people at the time who actually dealt with goat and sheep.
FranklinMichaelV.3
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Can you take a spiritual stand and gives us your view?
That is my view.
FranklinMichaelV.3
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So a goat is a believer or a non believer???
A goat is still owned by God if you read the parable. The reason for the separation is because goats and sheep have different purposes.
You are so afraid to put your opinion out there??A goat is still owned by God if you read the parable. The reason for the separation is because goats and sheep have different purposes.
The question is what is the answer to this parable a sheep or a goat?
Answer A or B?
A: Sheep
B: Goat
FranklinMichaelV.3
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You are so afraid to put your opinion out there??
The question is what is the answer to this parable a sheep or a goat?
Answer A or B?
A: Sheep
B: Goat
There is no answer, as the parable wasn't a question. You do realize that you're attempting to build a strawman right now right?
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