• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Genesis is Metaphorical for goodness sakes!

B

Benoni

Well-Known Member
FranklinMichaelV.3 said:
I guess the best way to explain it is that you are quoting a verse that doesn't exist in the chapter you posted. Matthew 25 does not say what you quoted it to say.

The proverbs verse seems to point out that seeking wisdom is what is important. Though since it mentions kings it could be referring to the conquests and journys that kings go out and about to. But it doesn't mean that God is concealing all types of truths, or if anything (if you want to go outside of the context of proverbs and the verse) one can take it to mean that it is our duty to seek the truth of what God has in nature itself.
Click to expand...

You are spinning?

Here is the parable of the sheep and goats;
Matthew 25:31-33
King James Version (KJV) 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
B

Benoni

Well-Known Member
This message is not to non-believer in this verse, he is speaking to believers

Matthew 13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive 15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.' 16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;
 
B

Benoni

Well-Known Member
CMike said:
Not to Jews.
Click to expand...
True.

1 Corinthians 2:13-15 (Amp) 13And we are setting these truths forth in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the [Holy] Spirit, combining and interpreting spiritual truths with spiritual language [to those who possess the Holy Spirit].
14But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.
15But the spiritual man tries all things [he [a]examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him].
 
F

FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
Benoni said:
You are spinning?

Here is the parable of the sheep and goats;
Matthew 25:31-33
King James Version (KJV) 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Click to expand...

You realized that is not what you had quoted before right?
 
B

Benoni

Well-Known Member
FranklinMichaelV.3 said:
You realized that is not what you had quoted before right?
Click to expand...
You realize you are trying to squirm out of the debate by not answering my questions?
Please address Matt. 25 reference to the sheep and goats?
What is a sheep?
What is a goat?
Also I ask you what God's glory is in reference to Proverbs 25:2?
 
F

FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
Benoni said:
Quite a vague comment? Here some more verses that are pretty cool


Matt 25:25-26 (MSG) Abruptly Jesus broke into prayer: "Thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth. You've concealed your ways from sophisticates and know-it-alls, but spelled them out clearly to ordinary people. Yes, Father, that's the way you like to work."

Matt 25:25-26 (KJV) 25At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Matt 25:25-26 (NLT) 25 At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike.
Click to expand...

What you quoted here has nothing to do with sheep or ghosts, I googled it, referenced bibles and I concluded that you have at the least quoted the wrong verse and chapter and at at worst you blatantly lied hoping others wouldn't check. You're the one spinning I would hope you acknowledge your mistake.
 
Last edited:
F

FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
Benoni said:
You realize you are trying to squirm out of the debate by not answering my questions?
Please address Matt. 25 reference to the sheep and goats?
What is a sheep?
What is a goat?
Also I ask you what God's glory is in reference to Proverbs 25:2?
Click to expand...

That was not your quote see my post above. What glory is hidden, it does not say. You make it seem that it was gods word in scripture when it is equally viable to describe the world.
 
B

Benoni

Well-Known Member
FranklinMichaelV.3 said:
That was not your quote see my post above. What glory is hidden, it does not say. You make it seem that it was gods word in scripture when it is equally viable to describe the world.
Click to expand...

"You make it seem that it was God’s word in scripture when it is equally viable to describe the world" what is this supposed to mean???

If you would EVER address my questions we could get on with how God glory is hidden? Much of the religious realm does not see it, and especially the world.
Are you afraid to learn something that does not fit your bias?
 
B

Benoni

Well-Known Member
FranklinMichaelV.3 said:
What you quoted here has nothing to do with sheep or ghosts, I googled it, referenced bibles and I concluded that you have at the least quoted the wrong verse and chapter and at at worst you blatantly lied hoping others wouldn't check. You're the one spinning I would hope you acknowledge your mistake.
Click to expand...
Yes it does if you will answer my question??? By the way it sheep and goats not sheep and ghosts
 
F

FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
Benoni said:
Yes it does if you will answer my question??? By the way it sheep and goats not sheep and ghosts
Click to expand...

No you meant to quote Matthew 11:25 not Matthew 25;25-26.

Proverbs was talking about kings seeking out the matter hidden by God. Do you think it is the same as God hiding from the wise and only revealing to children? Kings were considered wise and not children. Your attempt to combine the verses hinge only on the idea that something is hidden. Not
In the totality of the verse.

So will you acknowledge that you quoted the wrong verse and chapter?
 
B

Benoni

Well-Known Member
FranklinMichaelV.3 said:
No you meant to quote Matthew 11:25 not Matthew 25;25-26.

Proverbs was talking about kings seeking out the matter hidden by God. Do you think it is the same as God hiding from the wise and only revealing to children? Kings were considered wise and not children. Your attempt to combine the verses hinge only on the idea that something is hidden. Not
In the totality of the verse.

So will you acknowledge that you quoted the wrong verse and chapter?
Click to expand...
Are you having fun avoiding my questions?
I want you to address Matthew 25:31-46
Who are the sheep and the goats?
I am trying to show you where you are wrong and I will use Matthew 25:31-46 as my example.



1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.

NT:5178 a tupikos (toop-ee-kos'); an adverb related to NT:5179; found only in 1 Cor 10:11: as a warning, by way of example, typologically (i.e. figuratively, as a prophetic type, a typological interpretation of Scripture).
 
F

FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
Benoni said:
Are you having fun avoiding my questions?
I want you to address Matthew 25:31-46
Who are the sheep and the goats?
I am trying to show you where you are wrong and I will use Matthew 25:31-46 as my example.



1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.

NT:5178 a tupikos (toop-ee-kos'); an adverb related to NT:5179; found only in 1 Cor 10:11: as a warning, by way of example, typologically (i.e. figuratively, as a prophetic type, a typological interpretation of Scripture).
Click to expand...

You are trying to change the topic. The quote I had replied to was referring to Matthew 25:25-26 which was incorrectly quoted by you. I had no stake in the conversations of sheep and goats you would bring that up later after I pointed that you had quoted the wrong verse.

So let's discuss Matthew 11:25 to the verse in proverbs 25:2 (I believe that's the right one you had mention). That was what I was talking about.
 
B

Benoni

Well-Known Member
FranklinMichaelV.3 said:
You are trying to change the topic. The quote I had replied to was referring to Matthew 25:25-26 which was incorrectly quoted by you. I had no stake in the conversations of sheep and goats you would bring that up later after I pointed that you had quoted the wrong verse.

So let's discuss Matthew 11:25 to the verse in proverbs 25:2 (I believe that's the right one you had mention). That was what I was talking about.
Click to expand...
No I am not trying to change the subject I have been requesting you to address Matthew 25 for at least 20 post to show you how God hides his glory, but you refuse to be shown something you do not agree with.
 
B

Benoni

Well-Known Member
Notice how God uses examples:figuratively, as a prophetic type, a typological interpretation of Scripture).

1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.

NT:5178 a tupikos (toop-ee-kos'); an adverb related to NT:5179; found only in 1 Cor 10:11: as a warning, by way of example, typologically (i.e. figuratively, as a prophetic type, a typological interpretation of Scripture).
 
F

FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
Benoni said:
No I am not trying to change the subject I have been requesting you to address Matthew 25 for at least 20 post to show you how God hides his glory, but you refuse to be shown something you do not agree with.
Click to expand...

But Matthew 25 does not talk about how God hides. Matthew 11:25 says that.

Proverb says Gods glory is to hide a matter and it is a glory for kings to seek it out.

Matthew 11:25 says that God hides matters from the wise and reveals it to the childlike.

Besides the word hidden what relationship exists between those verses? One indicates kings (who are considered wise) will find Gods matters that are hidden, the others point that the wise will not find it.

I'm sure you can stretch the verse to mean what you want it to.
 
F

FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
Benoni said:
1 Corin 10:11
Post 97 ???

Example,
Example,
Example,
Example,
Example,
Example,
Example,
Click to expand...

You're are spinning. Proverbs 25:2 and Matthew 11:25 what is the relationship?

I do not like to just throw scripture at people left and right. You have made two connections let us discuss them. To not do so will just result in confusion. But first will you acknowledge that you had originally posted the wrong verse.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top