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JW's please stay away

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JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
Jews eat kosher meat, do you? And kosher meat is not just hanging up the animal and bleeding it out.

The word "kosher" is not found in the Torah. It is attached more to later Judaism than to ancient practices.

We show respect for blood by not eating it or consuming it in any way. It is sacred to God and due respect is to be given to the reason why God forbids its consumption in the first place.

In the Law that Jehovah gave the Israelites, he commanded: “As for any man . . . who in hunting catches a wild beast or a fowl that may be eaten, he must in that case pour its blood out and cover it with dust. . . . I said to the sons of Israel: ‘You must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh.’” (Leviticus 17:13, 14)

God’s command not to eat animal blood, first given to Noah some 800 years earlier, was still in force. Jehovah’s view was clear: His servants could eat animal meat but not the blood. They were to pour the blood on the ground—in effect, returning the creature’s life to God.

The more elaborate ritual attached to later kosher definitions were more about rabbinical interpretation that God's written word.

All God required was for the blood to be poured out on the ground...nothing more. Modern Jews cannot even eat an egg that has a speck of blood in it. That is their interpretation, not a command in scripture.

Do JWs eat steak that is not well done? You eat blood all the time in your meat yet you take a passage that is about animal blood in meat and put so much emphasis on blood tranfusions.

We take God's word as law, not man's over the top interpretation. Why do you think Jesus castigated the Pharisees at every opportunity? He said that they 'strained out the gnat, but gulped down the camel'...both considered "unclean" under the law.

There is nothing in God's word that forbids the consumption of a rare properly bled steak.

I am sure even you can see the difference between eating a piece of juicy steak and guzzling down a litre of blood. Seriously :rolleyes:
 

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
:yes:, dear. Whatever you say, dear.

And condescension is the reply when you have no reply :rolleyes:.....you addressed me on this thread, remember?

Twice now you have led me into a response on this board and were shown to be in error and twice you have backed out with a condescending shot. :shrug:

If you don't want a response, then please refrain from addressing me. Is that fair?

If you ask for an answer, you will get one, so why the :faint: when you do?
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I am wondering how a discussion about door-to-door missionaries turned into a discussion about blood transfusions.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
what is the passage that says "you must abstain from blood?"

Acts 15:28,*29: “The holy spirit and we ourselves [the governing body of the Christian congregation] have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled [or, killed without draining their blood] and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”


Gen. 9:3,*4: “Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul—its blood—you must not eat.”

Leviticus 17:14*For the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood by the soul in it. Consequently I said to the sons of Israel: “YOU must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh, because the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off.”


I feel that if i were to take another persons blood and use it for myself, it would be a violation of these laws. Blood is precious to God because it represents the life of the individual whether an animal or human. That life really belongs to God...taking the lifeforce of anything shows great disrespect for the one to whom that blood belongs.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
I would agree with you, Pegg, that what we're really talking about is obedience. It's integrity. It's behaving in such a way that what you do is in accordance with what you believe. It's walking the walk and not just talking the talk, so so speak. That said, I suppose it gets down to what a correct understanding of the scriptures really is, and Jehovah's Witnesses do interpret certain scriptures differently from other Christians. If I honestly believed that God was opposed to our receiving blood as a proven means of saving our life, I suppose I would argue as strenuously for my belief as you do for yours. I just don't believe that's what the scripture is saying. And if I had a child who had lost an inordinate amount of blood in an accident and was in real danger of dying without a transfusion, I honestly wouldn't want to be in your shoes.

Agreed, and if it were you and not someone else who'd brought up this issue, I probably wouldn't have even responded. Some people absolutely have to have the last word on everything, though, and so I'm going to let you-know-who's post stand without response.


I hope im never faced with that decision either. I have 4 children, so i have 4 times the amount of worry. But I certainly know that there is always the chance of instant death as soon as i walk out my front door too.

Send the kids off to school and there is an entire day where i'm wondering if today will be the day when i get a phone call telling me something tragic has happened.

If this world were all i had to hope in, i think i'd probably have died of anxious exhaustion by now. But our hope in God is a sure hope. I know that death is not a permanent condition and if I think about the faithful man Abraham, he was willing to sacrifice his child in obedience to Gods law because he "reckoned that God was able to raise him up even from the dead" (heb 11:19)

If i have to put my trust in something, it has to be in Gods promises...otherwise i'd go out of my mind :eek:
 

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
Really? Surprised to hear that!

Why? Jesus turned water into wine as his first miracle. He shared wine with his apostles at the last supper.

Drinking alcohol is not condemned in the Bible...drunkenness is. So moderation is the key. :yes:
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Really? Surprised to hear that!

Psalms 104:14*He is making green grass sprout for the beasts,
And vegetation for the service of mankind,
To cause food to go forth from the earth,
15*And wine that makes the heart of mortal man rejoice,
To make the face shine with oil,
And bread that sustains the very heart of mortal man



....in moderation of course :)
 

Horrorble

Well-Known Member
We take God's word as law, not man's over the top interpretation. Why do you think Jesus castigated the Pharisees at every opportunity? He said that they 'strained out the gnat, but gulped down the camel'...both considered "unclean" under the law.

There is nothing in God's word that forbids the consumption of a rare properly bled steak.

I am sure even you can see the difference between eating a piece of juicy steak and guzzling down a litre of blood. Seriously :rolleyes:

And watchtower interpretation is not found in scripture "blood transfusion" is not found in scripture, it is specifically about consuming blood for sustenance and ritual associated with other gods. Nothing about the transferring of blood in a life or death situation.
Yes I recognise the difference between a steak and drinking a glass of blood, even though a steak still has red blood cells in it. Do you recognise the difference between ritual sacrifice to other gods and drinking blood for pleasure and having a blood tranfusion in a life or death situation?
Also if you are aware of the cruelty that occurs in slaughter houses you may have eaten an animal that died via strangulation which is also against the law.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
I am wondering how a discussion about door-to-door missionaries turned into a discussion about blood transfusions.

It's like what happens to 99.999999% of all threads in here.
Christine, it's gone from a discussion about door-to-door missionaries to one on gays in Judaism to blood transfusions. Threads intended to bash one particular denomination always seem to spin out of control relatively quickly. Since you're on the staff, you might want to see about doing to this thread what was ultimately done to the thread on JWs and Halloween.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
And watchtower interpretation is not found in scripture "blood transfusion" is not found in scripture, it is specifically about consuming blood for sustenance and ritual associated with other gods. Nothing about the transferring of blood in a life or death situation.

Of course you are right.

Its simply crazy to assume that a blood transfusion is somehow the same as drinking blood or eating bloody food.
 

nazz

Doubting Thomas
Why? Jesus turned water into wine as his first miracle. He shared wine with his apostles at the last supper.

Drinking alcohol is not condemned in the Bible...drunkenness is. So moderation is the key. :yes:

In the strict fundamentalist church I attended drinking was a no-no. Even in moderation.
 

nazz

Doubting Thomas
Psalms 104:14*He is making green grass sprout for the beasts,
And vegetation for the service of mankind,
To cause food to go forth from the earth,
15*And wine that makes the heart of mortal man rejoice,
To make the face shine with oil,
And bread that sustains the very heart of mortal man



....in moderation of course :)

I just think of the JW denomination as being so strict I was just surprised they allow drinking.
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
JW's came to my door this morning. I did not answer the door even though they saw me sitting in the living room. I have asked these people three times in the last six months not to come here and take my address off there calling list which they said they would every time.
Why don't JW's listen ?

This is a simple request. JW's are on the internet and connected all over the world. I was hoping the resident JW's would communicate the request to the JW hierarchy to inform their followers that addresses should be removed from their calling lists upon request of the people they visit.

I see it's a waste of time. This thread should be closed because JW's wont listen to me.
 

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
And watchtower interpretation is not found in scripture "blood transfusion" is not found in scripture, it is specifically about consuming blood for sustenance and ritual associated with other gods. Nothing about the transferring of blood in a life or death situation.

As has already been mentioned, one is "fed" intravenously when food cannot be taken by mouth. Consuming blood via a transfusion is to us, the same as taking it into the body by mouth. Why does the method of intake make the blood somehow less sacred to God? It is God who forbids the consumption of blood. As it's Creator, surely recognition of its sacredness to him should make us think twice.
If you were dying of thirst and someone offered you a cup of blood to drink, would you drink it? Would you break God's law to save your life? This is what is at issue for us. We do not impose our views on others, but we will defend them to those who question our position. It isn't really an issue anymore. Bloodless procedures are now preferred. Any doctor worth his salt will not use it.

So, if blood has been demonstrated to be less than an optimal treatment in medicine in today's world and in fact, a procedure that doctors know can carry grave risks to a patient.....if it is demonstrated that the prime reason why it continues to be promoted is mainly financial, how can ignorance continue to prevail? Isn't it time to be better informed?

Why are people asked if they have EVER HAD A BLOOD TRANSFUSION when admitted to hospital?

Yes I recognise the difference between a steak and drinking a glass of blood, even though a steak still has red blood cells in it.
And this is immaterial to the issue. It is recognising the sanctity of blood to its Creator and showing due respect. Israelites were not commanded to wash every drop of blood from their meat. It was to be drained out on the earth symbolically returning its life to God. The Pharisees took God's law and added to it things he never commanded.

Do you recognise the difference between ritual sacrifice to other gods and drinking blood for pleasure and having a blood tranfusion in a life or death situation?
Jehovah's Witnesses recognise that taking blood into the body, regardless of the reason or the method is contrary to God's law. If others wish to take blood, that is up to them. We have educated ourselves so efficiently that our Hospital Liaison Committee brothers are consulted by doctors when treating Witness patients.

Also if you are aware of the cruelty that occurs in slaughter houses you may have eaten an animal that died via strangulation which is also against the law.

I think this is a completely different issue H. Man has God's permission to slaughter animals for food. He established how they were to be killed and prepared. In Australia, there are very strict laws governing animal slaughter.
We do not have to be too concerned about how animals are treated here. Other nations may have huge problems, however. Each must do their own research.

The only thing that makes all of this tolerable for me is the assurance that, in the new world, no harm will befall any creature. We are designed to be vegetarian and it appears that all creatures will return to that state, including man. :)
 
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JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
This is a simple request. JW's are on the internet and connected all over the world. I was hoping the resident JW's would communicate the request to the JW hierarchy to inform their followers that addresses should be removed from their calling lists upon request of the people they visit.

I see it's a waste of time. This thread should be closed because JW's wont listen to me.

Awoon, it is standard practise for JW's to respect the wishes of those who do not wish to be called on. If my brothers are not honoring your request, then please contact JW's in your local area and specifically request that your home is NOT to be called on. Each congregation is operated locally, so please make your request known (politely please) and make them aware that you have made your request several times and you should see a difference.

We have lists of people who make such a request and we have no desire to annoy or disturb anyone.

I cannot understand why your request has not been observed. Sorry. :shrug:
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
Awoon, it is standard practise for JW's to respect the wishes of those who do not wish to be called on. If my brothers are not honoring your request, then please contact JW's in your local area and specifically request that your home is NOT to be called on. Each congregation is operated locally, so please make your request known (politely please) and make them aware that you have made your request several times and you should see a difference.

We have lists of people who make such a request and we have no desire to annoy or disturb anyone.

I cannot understand why your request has not been observed. Sorry. :shrug:

A JW friend from another forum told me that a few years ago. I told the JW's and they didn't come around until this year. I'm not gonna ask them any more, I'll just sit in my living room watching and waving at them without answering the door.
 

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
I just think of the JW denomination as being so strict I was just surprised they allow drinking.

We are no more "strict" than God's people have always been. We observe God's laws and live by Bible principles, but we do not take things beyond what is written in the Bible. That is fanaticism, not faith.

God's laws are very balanced and reasonable. We try to be too. :)

Check out our website and I think you will be surprised.

Jehovah's Witnesses
 
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