Enai de a lukal
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And then watch the Wizard of Oz while listening to Dark Side of the Moon? Then will I understand? 
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Why don't Theist's admit that there's no evidence for God?
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Monk Of Reason
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One must first accept the concept of god. And then from there we can answer those questions. But the concept of 0 is really not any more important than any number (well arguably zero is more important because of the ability to have place holders to make it much easier to have higher calculations) but aside form its usefulness in calculations (one that Ancient Egyptians for example did fine without when calculating the great pyramids and such.
"worth' is not a universal term. One must describe the criteria in which we are calculating someones worth. For example Stephen Hawking is unimaginably high in value or "wroth" to the scientific fields but would be less than useless for a NBA team.
Dunno. Hasn't happened yet to my knowledge.
yet another mystery.
Scuze me? You are making tons of jumps. What about those asexual reproducers? Did he not make those as well by your logic? They don't have eggs or sperm. I mean we might as well say 'MUFFLERS! THEY ARE GOD!"
Make an argument that something can only come from something. We have never observed "something" coming from "something else". We have only observed change of already existing "somethings". We don't know if something can come from "nothing" as we have never observed "nothing".
The rest is sprinkles of religious gibberish that doesn't really leave me an opening to make a counterargument as it hasn't made an argument itself.
I was an Atheist once....but i couldnt do it...didnt matter if i couldnt prove it. Maybe the real truth is that i want other people to love each other. And if you can treat other people with respect, and not believe in the God i believe in....then you are okay in my book.
its okay not to believe in something you cant see, or prove. Its okay not to agree. Its NOT okay however to push push push your own personal truth on someone that isnt willing to change thier own belief. I can preach crazy stuff, and analogies all day. But at the end of the day, if im okay with myself. And you are okay with yourself. And we both sleep soundly at night...then so be it. believing an organ thinks for itself it obsurb. I get that. But i believe mine does. so what! We are all different. I just embrace that.
Monk Of Reason
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I was an Atheist once....but i couldnt do it...didnt matter if i couldnt prove it. Maybe the real truth is that i want other people to love each other. And if you can treat other people with respect, and not believe in the God i believe in....then you are okay in my book.
Thats great and fine and all. In fact I am very happy you have your own philosophy that works for you. However you seemed to be going somwhere with this concept of zero proving god thing and I didn't understand exactly what you were trying to connect.
I would have to make a visual...words are just words...they get confusing. When you see what i mean, instead of reading it...it has clarity. Maybe i will make a video....but dont hold your horses. Lol.
Monk Of Reason
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Okay. B/c it sounds really really similar to the way the something can't come from nothing argument works.
In answer to the main question, why theists don't admit there is no evidence for God, is because there is evidence. As for the most specific evidence, I would still say there is proof that God exists and this proof is found ultimately in His own revelation of Himself in His word, the Bible. God Himself has spoken and revealed Himself to man. I would say that there are other evidences and pointers of God outside of the Bible, but we needed God Himself to speak in order for us to know Him.
Otherwise, man would not be able to truly know God. Our reason and evidence may point to God, but they cannot ultimately allow us to know God for who He is. This is why the Triune God spoke, of His own accord, to reveal Himself to us through men inspired by the Holy Spirit as they wrote different portions of the Bible.
Otherwise, man would not be able to truly know God. Our reason and evidence may point to God, but they cannot ultimately allow us to know God for who He is. This is why the Triune God spoke, of His own accord, to reveal Himself to us through men inspired by the Holy Spirit as they wrote different portions of the Bible.
Truth is a funny thing, it cannot be both true and false. So, ladybug77, I would not agree with the idea that all scriptures are true or that truth is with all religions. Each religion with its scriptures often contradict and say different things about who God is, salvation, why we exist, Heaven, Hell, etc.
This is not to say that different scriptures may say some things that are similar. I would attribute this to the reality that God has written His law on the human heart, as Romans 2:12-16 says, and so the stories and experiences of people can often relate and be similar.
Also, I would say that interpretations can be different, but that does not mean the meaning cannot be known. The meaning may be known, either by reading, studying, or simply thinking through the different parts of the Bible. Yes, there are disagreements, but disagreement does not mean it is not true and should not be sought after to be understood, because the message of Scripture is clear (creation, fall, redemption, creation renewed/judgment).
Overall, the Bible is different because God Himself has inspired it, other scriptures cannot claim this and do not (outside of Islam and Christian cults, which I would say are borrowing from the Christian worldview).
This is not to say that different scriptures may say some things that are similar. I would attribute this to the reality that God has written His law on the human heart, as Romans 2:12-16 says, and so the stories and experiences of people can often relate and be similar.
Also, I would say that interpretations can be different, but that does not mean the meaning cannot be known. The meaning may be known, either by reading, studying, or simply thinking through the different parts of the Bible. Yes, there are disagreements, but disagreement does not mean it is not true and should not be sought after to be understood, because the message of Scripture is clear (creation, fall, redemption, creation renewed/judgment).
Overall, the Bible is different because God Himself has inspired it, other scriptures cannot claim this and do not (outside of Islam and Christian cults, which I would say are borrowing from the Christian worldview).
Welk what works for me...works for me. To help you get a fell of who i am...my personal bible is the christian bible...but i read it with a buddist mind set. If that makes any sense. We both believe in the same God.
i just believe in reincarnatiom.Trolle, that is just the thing, God has not waited for us to prove Him, He has proved Himself by revealing Himself through the Bible.
Also, I would say that the greater challenge to pose is for someone to try to prove that God does not exist.
I do think that God has meant for us to experience Him, because He made us whole people, so we were created to be whole people, i.e. we are not only logic driven people, but we have emotions, bodies, minds, hearts, etc. We are meant to experience God, but through the means He has given and not our own (i.e. I am thinking of the first of the Ten Commandments). We are meant to know the Triune God through the saving work accomplished through His Son Jesus Christ.
Also, I would say that the greater challenge to pose is for someone to try to prove that God does not exist.
I do think that God has meant for us to experience Him, because He made us whole people, so we were created to be whole people, i.e. we are not only logic driven people, but we have emotions, bodies, minds, hearts, etc. We are meant to experience God, but through the means He has given and not our own (i.e. I am thinking of the first of the Ten Commandments). We are meant to know the Triune God through the saving work accomplished through His Son Jesus Christ.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
What is your definition of works for you? Is what makes you happy, or allows you to do what you want to, or tickles your ears a proper method for detecting truth. Eternity is only the line, I would hope truth would be the standard given what is at stake, not what floats your boat. You can't read the Bible even with the thickest cognitive dissonance goggles made and get reincarnation from it.Welk what works for me...works for me. To help you get a fell of who i am...my personal bible is the christian bible...but i read it with a buddist mind set. If that makes any sense. We both believe in the same God.
Statements like:
New International Version
"Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment"
Hebrews 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
Getting reincarnation from a hundred verses like that is to mangle the Bible so badly it is no longer recognizable.
People. Means flesh. Man means soul.
And i read the old testimate first, and then the new.
One is not complete without the other imo.
And what works for me? I allow God to work through me this way. Real love. Not lust. But love. I live for love. Is that cool with you?? I dont mangle the bible...i gave it clarity.
Trolle
Just Be
Oneway, I believe Proof of God can only be provided by God via personal experience. Religious texts were written by man and can't be wholly reliable because they have been mistranslated, misunderstood and manipulated over the course of many hundreds of years. Proving/disproving the existence of God to others is a fool's errand IMO.
Well said newbie! Do you know how we provide proof of God nowadays?? Well 'I' respect everyone equally...love everyone unconditionally...and i pray to jesus, and to God. Then people see that...feel that...and it SPREADS! WOO HOO!
Trolle your claim is a very hard one to make. Out of the many thousands of texts we have that make up the Bible, one can hardly say they have been mistranslated and manipulated. Yes, at times they have been misinterpreted, but that is not at issue with the text itself. Scholars of all sorts recognize their has been consistency among the texts of the Bible throughout its inspiration by God. My point is different from saying that some parts may be hard to understand, because some are, but this does not mean they cannot be studies and sought to be understood with all the tools we have. However, this cannot be said of other religious texts outside of the Bible. The Bible has shown an amazing consistency and lack of manipulation since God inspired it.
Funny thing is people say the same thing about the quran or whatever religious texts they prefer. That their text is inspired by God and other texts are lacking somehow.