If we're taking the existence of God, Heaven and Hell for granted, and I really can do whatever I want, I know what I'd do: destroy Hell. Destroy it in a way that God could never rebuild it.
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So God gives you a free pass...
- Thread starter Tiberius
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If we're taking the existence of God, Heaven and Hell for granted, and I really can do whatever I want, I know what I'd do: destroy Hell. Destroy it in a way that God could never rebuild it.
What I see is you do not understand spiritual death. To see God with wide open eyes at something remarkable means you are really seeing God. We are all dead spiritually. Really can a physical dead man.? he is physically dead
Even more with us carnal earthy men who are dead in trust passes and sin. We cannot see, hear, touch, smell etc. the realm of God.
Adam died when he partook of the fruit in the garden; he did not die physically until he was 930 years old. (Gen. 5.5) He died spiritually. A dead man cannot hear, see, touch, feel, etc. That is especially true of a spiritual dead man. Adam was 930 years old when he physically died which are literal days not spiritual days.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 7: 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Romans 8:6
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Eph, 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
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Jesus already killed hell and death
The following was written by J Preston Eby; it is written in the context that the Book of Revelation is totally spiritual; something you reject. Why?
Please tear it apart and do not dismiss it because you reject the messenger not the message.
The fourth horse, the Pale Horse. "And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, come and see. And I looked, and lo a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with the sword (Word of God), and with hunger (lack of spiritual food), and with death, and with the beasts of the earth (our beastly carnal nature." (Rev. 6:7-8).
There is a significance to the description of the fourth horseman -- he whose name is Death -- and Hell followed with him. Death and Hades are specially linked in the Revelation.
Christ destroyed him that had the power of death, that is, the devil (Heb. 2:14), Christ came and abolished death (II Tim. 1:10) He now boldly proclaims: "I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the KEYS OF HELL AND OF DEATH" (Rev. 1:18).
And since the Christ now possesses both hades and death neither of them ride anywhere except by His power and will!
This horse is given power over the fourth part of the earth-realm, to kill with the sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
This "fourth part of the earth" is clearly that portion of earthiness not already dealt with by the three preceding horses. It means the final destruction of everything within us that is contrary to HIS life and kingdom. \
To kill with DEATH
There is an amazing statement in the passage that we do not want to miss. "And power was given unto Him to kill...with death."!
How does Jesus kill with death?
"Our God is a consuming fire.
To kill with death means a death by death. Later on in the book of Revelation the same truth is presented thus: "Death and hell were cast into the lake of Fire. This is the second death" (Rev. 20:14).
Now let us turn this around for clarity. "The second death IS death and hell cast into the lake of fire." Therefore we have exactly the same meaning either way it is stated. What is the second death? It is the first death and hell cast into the lake of fire!
" This fact is extremely IMPORTANT. The second death is not merely the lake of fire. Nor is the second death men being tortured forever in the lake of fire.
The second death is the first death and hell CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.
That is the God's Spirit's definition, not mine.
Can we now open the eyes of our understanding to see that everything cast into the lake of fire pertains to DEATH?
Death itself is cast into the lake of fire.
Hades, the realm of the dead, is cast into the lake of fire.
And those whose names are not written in the Book of Life, i.e. those who are dead, in trespasses and in sins, who inhabit hades, are cast into the lake of fire.
This is the end of death and hades and sin and sinners, for God shall destroy the whole realm of death in the lake of fire.
He shall burn up hell in the lake of fire, He shall destroy death in the lake of fire, and He shall consume sin in the lake of fire.
How I long to see the end of sin and death and hades!
It is clear that God does not destroy men in the lake of fire, nowhere does it say that, for that would be a contradiction of terms. How can you destroy death by creating death?
How can you abolish death by bringing men under the power of eternal death from which there is no escape?
Oh, no, it is not men who are destroyed in the lake of fire -- it is sin and death and hades that are destroyed.
"And the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death" (I Cor. 15:26). "And there shall be no more death: for the former things are passed away" (Rev. 21:4).
Thus, the lake of fire is nothing more nor less than THE DEATH OF DEATH! "And power was given unto them to kill...with death. " 0, the wonder of it!
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Baloney! You continue to post verses that do not support what you are claiming.
The Bible does NOT say ALL will be saved!
It says just the opposite!
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If so,
-Than of course I'll become a killer, but first of all I'll like to kill myself rather than anybody else, because very well I know that am guaranteed an heaven after my death.
- Than of course I'll become a thief, but I'll like to thieve my own life rather than anything else because very well I know that am guaranteed an heaven after my death.
- Than of course I'll become a rapist, but first of all I'll like to rape a lioness when she's alone in the jungle or somewhere else, rather than any innocent, because very well I know that lioness will put me to death when I'll try to rape her, and finally I'll get an heaven after my death
Do you think am a fool who will miss the heaven for so many years ?
tell me.
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But God's not asking you that,
According to the OP, God just disappeared by giving you that free pass.
Its just the question by, Tiberius.. loll
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Before going to that decision, I think, that you need to read my reply to your OP
NobodyYouKnow
Misanthropist
I am just sitting here, wondering if morality doesn't come from God and nothing comes from God because God 'doesn't exist' then what is the issue here?
It's like saying 'nothing comes from nothing'.
It's like saying 'nothing comes from nothing'.
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Than I think, you will also definitely start facing all those problems, which am facing currently to make others understand about all this.. loll
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But, what is making you wondering all this ?
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But what made you to take this "Tiberius"/OP Seriously ? am just wondering.. loll
Sure it does but as I can see you do not either address my post or read them. You say you do not believe in hell but your facts from your opinion not God's Word.
I am addressing these issues with some one who is debating me right now, NOT some one who resonds to my post with "Baloney!"
But what made you to take this "Tiberius"/OP Seriously ? am just wondering.. loll
I was intrigued by the oddity of his premises, and hoped to understand them better.
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So, what you finally understood ? luis.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Honestly, you wasted a post. I've heard these claims before, and without evidence to back them up, such claims are meaningless.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
I do not deny their existence "as such".
I merely have not seen anything that indicates they exist any more than "as such".
So, what you finally understood ? luis.
That people do indeed take odd premises. I shouldn't be so surprised.
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
I mean God may never punish me...but mankind would.
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"You are man" Isn't that a punishment.. loll
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