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does the religion i describe exist??

ladybug77

Active Member
So does this exist or have a name?? A so called religion that takes ALL...i mean ALL religions from wellknown Christianity...to the alien stuff...cut it up into pieces...toss out the junk...keep the good stuff...and make it all fit together seamlessly?? Although it seems highly unlikely someone has been capable to do such a daunting task...ya never know. Plus....it would technically make all religion correct in a sense...and we could stop debating, and start living. :)
 
So does this exist or have a name?? A so called religion that takes ALL...i mean ALL religions from wellknown Christianity...to the alien stuff...cut it up into pieces...toss out the junk...keep the good stuff...and make it all fit together seamlessly?? Although it seems highly unlikely someone has been capable to do such a daunting task...ya never know. Plus....it would technically make all religion correct in a sense...and we could stop debating, and start living. :)

best thing that comes to mind thats takes a lot of religious practices in to account is the baha'i faith. You can look in to it more if you want i'm no expert on the baha'i faith so i could be wrong but the alien stuff i don't think you will find that in the faith though.

ps any baha'i please correct me if my info is wrong as you will know way more then me.

not the best source but it is a start Bahá'í Faith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

nilsz

bzzt
Religions contradict each other, and we cannot all agree that one part of a religion is better than the corresponding part of another religion. There are certainly belief systems that borrow from various other religions, but the idea does not appeal to me as it might be based upon what someone sees as fanciful rather than what they arrived at through deep consideration.
 

ladybug77

Active Member
The alien stuff...lol..yeah...im sure its fits in there somewhere...but it will only fit if its true...its its false info...then no...but we should be able to weed out facts from fiction eventually. Heres to the next 3000 years.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
So does this exist or have a name?? A so called religion that takes ALL...i mean ALL religions from wellknown Christianity...to the alien stuff...cut it up into pieces...toss out the junk...keep the good stuff...and make it all fit together seamlessly?? Although it seems highly unlikely someone has been capable to do such a daunting task...ya never know. Plus....it would technically make all religion correct in a sense...and we could stop debating, and start living. :)

Let me ask you one thing. Assuming that such a faith exists - or can even exist at all, even hypothetically - how would you recognize it for what it is?

Lots of religions make claims in the general sense of fulfilling your description. It happens even more often in esoteric groups. Unfortunately, they can only do so by choosing to disregard a lot of movements that claim to be religions and/or misrepresenting some to a serious extent.

And that is to be expected, just as the drive to seek one anyway is just as natural.

But the way I see it, there is no shortcut. You have to decide what is worth patronizing and what should be disregarded. Because either way, even unknowingly, disregard something you will.
 

ladybug77

Active Member
Well the concept is there...and its not impossible...couldnt we just take something that is known at 99% to be true...and build off it?? it doesnt nessecarily have to be a 'religion' per say...but maybe even realistic possibility...??? If it were in book form...where the reader chooses the 'base' of what is true...for example: its a fact we have souls. (Just an example...no offense to objection)...then it list all possibility of truth from serveral different 'religions' branching from that one 'fact'...and the reader can pick and choose what he/she thinks fits onto that truth...and so on and so on...like connect the dots. I guess the real question is...Is there at least ONE concept that most well-known religions have in common...and state as truth??? If so...we have a good start.
 

ladybug77

Active Member
And i personally dont think it would need to be 'recognized' for what it is...i dont like the fact we classify beliefs into groups...it seems foolish to me...why are we seperating things? Doesnt anyone else think we should be working toward unity?? Non-seperation...i mean we are all the same really...its kind of like racism when you think about it. No?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Well the concept is there...and its not impossible...

In the way you describe it, it actually is impossible. Something has to give, and as it turns out, that something will include whole faiths no matter how you slice it. Many of them.

That said, there is certainly no shortage of people who made the attempt, going back at least to the biblic Paul. There is Islam, the Bahai Faith, most esoteric groups, Unitarian Universalism, just out of the top of my mind.


couldnt we just take something that is known at 99% to be true...and build off it??

Sure, and we should. But that is not what you proposed earlier.


it doesnt nessecarily have to be a 'religion' per say...but maybe even realistic possibility...??? If it were in book form...where the reader chooses the 'base' of what is true...for example: its a fact we have souls. (Just an example...no offense to objection)...then it list all possibility of truth from serveral different 'religions' branching from that one 'fact'...and the reader can pick and choose what he/she thinks fits onto that truth...and so on and so on...like connect the dots. I guess the real question is...Is there at least ONE concept that most well-known religions have in common...and state as truth??? If so...we have a good start.

It seems to me that you are confusing religious practice with some sort of objective fact-finding. Trouble is, religion is by necessity subjective, and loses its way when it attempts to deny that.


And i personally dont think it would need to be 'recognized' for what it is...i dont like the fact we classify beliefs into groups...it seems foolish to me...

How else could you attempt to find out a common truth among them, if not by acknowledging what they teach and classifying them by those teachings?


why are we seperating things?

Because we need to tell that which works for us apart from that which does not, perhaps.


Doesnt anyone else think we should be working toward unity?? Non-seperation...i mean we are all the same really...its kind of like racism when you think about it. No?

I think you would do well to reflect a bit about the clashing needs of integration and individuality. While it is always to some degree a challenge to balance the two, it is also a basic need.

You may want to read a bit about non-dualism and Advaita as well.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I agree with the issues Luis has pointed out.

I'd also like to make the comment that it's unlikely that any worldview or ideology fits together "seamlessly." Reality is a complicated place that in of itself is riddled with apparent or actual contradictions and conflicts. You're going to end up with inconsistencies and quirks no matter what angle is taken.
 

ladybug77

Active Member
Ok, u make logical points. :) i will take the advice and read up on your suggestions. For the record..my personal belief does combine many religions into something that makes sense for me as an individual...and i would like to incorporate more concepts that i deem true. :) im always respecting others beliefs, even if they are not quite my own... so one last question...as you seem to have done more research than me....

What is a possible 99% 'fact' that most well-known religions share?
My personal 'fact' was that we are souls/spirits...and i built on that...but it would be great to have another suggestion...if you dont mind. :) and i wont ask any other frivolous things. Lol.
 

ladybug77

Active Member
I agree with the issues Luis has pointed out.

I'd also like to make the comment that it's unlikely that any worldview or ideology fits together "seamlessly." Reality is a complicated place that in of itself is riddled with apparent or actual contradictions and conflicts. You're going to end up with inconsistencies and quirks no matter what angle is taken.

I believe the inconsistancy would be beneficial for understanding...but perhaps im dreaming of the day we just all get along...i just really want something 'good' to spread around...you know?? Hate and fear run rampant...and its ashame we let 'religion' generally used for good intensions...just generate more hate! ( Not in this forum...but in general ) i am happy to see people out there willing to put in a word...without being rude though. :) thanks.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't think I would pick soul/spirit, in part because what that actually means varies widely across religions and also because of non-dualistic religions that reject any division between matter and spirit.

The only things I can pinpoint that religions share are broad approaches, not specific "facts" as you're calling them. The role religion as a whole serves is to ground a person's search for truth, meaning, and purpose. As different people live in different environments and have different personal needs, the specific "facts" arrived at from this search will necessarily vary.

Perhaps I might say that all "well-known" religions (though I'm not entirely sure what goes in this category) involve some concept of sacredness. What I mean by that is there's some aspect of reality or concept that is put in high regard. It serves as either a model for correct behavior and right living or as a foundation for joyful celebration and gratitude. The object(s) of sacredness could be anything. It could be venerating and respecting your human elders or ancestors; it could be awing at the splendor of sea and sky as gods; it could be honoring an inspiring leader or teacher.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Ok, u make logical points. :) i will take the advice and read up on your suggestions. For the record..my personal belief does combine many religions into something that makes sense for me as an individual...and i would like to incorporate more concepts that i deem true. :) im always respecting others beliefs, even if they are not quite my own... so one last question...as you seem to have done more research than me....

Thanks for the good will. It is often very difficult to deal with disagreement. I'm very pleased by your grace.


What is a possible 99% 'fact' that most well-known religions share?

People earn for safety, certainty and happiness. And they are troubled by an apparent lack of suitability of this world we live in to sustain those needs.


My personal 'fact' was that we are souls/spirits...and i built on that...but it would be great to have another suggestion...if you dont mind. :) and i wont ask any other frivolous things. Lol.

No, don't avoid your own questions.

As for souls/spirits, I don't know that it is a point of agreement, or that it is very helpful even in contexts where it is agreed upon. Those are pretty vague concepts, when push comes to shove.

That, in fact, is a major issue to consider. Sometimes we strive a bit too hard to agree about some wording and that ends up becoming a complication. By focusing on the words, we fail to even notice that there is in fact disagreement, even if it is clouded by a superficial (and often meaningless) agreement.

One thing that religion needs IMO to truly fulfill its role is to accept disagreements as a fact of life and learn to deal with them both honestly and respectfully. I would not even put a lot of energy in challenging that such should be the main goal of religion.
 

ladybug77

Active Member
Ive started a little research of what different people believe, and why. (Generally speaking...i cant find the right words to describe my approach on the matter) but with an open mind, its very interesting...and i find joy in the exploration on the topic. With each knew piece of information i was unaware of...its broadening my spectrum of acceptance...and to give acceptance is humbling, and fulfilling...rather than to demand acceptance from someone else...thats unnecessary. :) and i just began my starting point on my belief that we all are 'soul'...because i consider it true...but surely everyone has had a starting point...same or not...just think its cool that regardless of our differences...we are still able to relate. I appreciate that. :)
 
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