Corban What is it?

I used corban on another thread. I learned it meant a gift offering dedicated to God and that it had been misused by Jews before Jesus to evade their duty to care for their aged parents.

Mark 7:11,12 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God) then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother..

It is a fact Jehovah's Witnesses raise their children in a way that leads the children to a personal dedication to God. What better gift can there be than one's own offspring?

1 Samuel 1:11,28; 2:21

Judges 11:34,35

I realize that the customary definition of Corban might mean a money gift. But because the situation with the children is similar, in that the child has been dedicted to the service of Jehovah, the child is guarded against anything that might prevent it, namely knowing their unbelieving grandparents. It is the truth that Jehovah's Witness parents prevent their own parents from knowing the child for fear the child will choose the non Jehovah's Witness faith of the gradparents over the faith of the parents.

Corban: A gift offering (the child) dedicated to God (to be a Jehovah's Witness). Who knows corban only refers to money?

savagewind said:

I used corban on another thread. I learned it meant a gift offering dedicated to God and that it had been misused by Jews before Jesus to evade their duty to care for their aged parents.

Mark 7:11,12 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God) then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother..

It is a fact Jehovah's Witnesses raise their children in a way that leads the children to a personal dedication to God. What better gift can there be than one's own offspring?

1 Samuel 1:11,28; 2:21

Judges 11:34,35

I realize that the customary definition of Corban might mean a money gift. But because the situation with the children is similar, in that the child has been dedicted to the service of Jehovah, the child is guarded against anything that might prevent it, namely knowing their unbelieving grandparents. It is the truth that Jehovah's Witness parents prevent their own parents from knowing the child for fear the child will choose the non Jehovah's Witness faith of the gradparents over the faith of the parents.

Corban: A gift offering (the child) dedicated to God (to be a Jehovah's Witness). Who knows corban only refers to money?

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Mark 7:9 and said to them, full well do you cast aside the commandments of God, so that your own traditions you can observe.
Mark 7:10 Moses wherefore said, Honor thy father and thy mother: and whosoever curses father and mother ends in death.
Mark 7:11 But you now say, if sayith a man to his father or his mother, korban: which is to say, by all my Sacrificial Offerings you benefit,
Mark 7:12 And no longer require of him anything to perform for his father or mother,
Mark 7:13 do invalidate the word of God for the sake of the tradition which you bring forth: and many such things you observe.

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Ingledsva said:

Mark 7:9 and said to them, full well do you caste aside the commandments of God, so that your own traditions you can observe.
Mark 7:10 Moses wherefore said, Honor thy father and thy mother: and whosoever curses father and mother ends in death.
Mark 7:11 But you now say, if sayith a man to his father or his mother, korban: which is to say, by all my Sacrificial Offerings you benefit,
Mark 7:12 And no longer require of him anything to perform for his father or mother,
Mark 7:13 do invalidate the word of God for the sake of the tradition which you bring forth: and many such things you observe.

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Am I missing something? The only way I know about corban or korban is Mark 7:10-13
My point is why is it wrong to consider one's own children their corban for God? Do you know?

This is what I think corban is. It's a will that leaves a person's wealth to the temple. Children are a person's wealth. My children are my greatest wealth. So......why can children NOT be corban?

1. Is corban a promise to leave one's wealth to the temple?
2. Can children be considered corban in the situation I described in post one?
3. Why not?

I never said in ancient Israel children were considered corban. I am saying that for some people they ARE being considered a gift to God. If they are being considered a gift to God for the building up of the Christain Congregation and the parent believes his own parents might sabotage the gift, he will refuse to allow the parents of himself to see the child of himself.




Is imagination so RARE?

savagewind said:

I used corban on another thread. I learned it meant a gift offering dedicated to God and that it had been misused by Jews before Jesus to evade their duty to care for their aged parents.

Mark 7:11,12 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God) then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother..

It is a fact Jehovah's Witnesses raise their children in a way that leads the children to a personal dedication to God. What better gift can there be than one's own offspring?

1 Samuel 1:11,28; 2:21

Judges 11:34,35

I realize that the customary definition of Corban might mean a money gift. But because the situation with the children is similar, in that the child has been dedicted to the service of Jehovah, the child is guarded against anything that might prevent it, namely knowing their unbelieving grandparents. It is the truth that Jehovah's Witness parents prevent their own parents from knowing the child for fear the child will choose the non Jehovah's Witness faith of the gradparents over the faith of the parents.

Corban: A gift offering (the child) dedicated to God (to be a Jehovah's Witness). Who knows corban only refers to money?

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I am persuaded you know that it is NOT true that Jws prevent their parents who may practice a different religion from seeing their grandchildren. Fortunately, persons interested in the truth about Jws can find extensive information about them on the jw.org website. For example, the article entitled "Why I Should Get to Knpw My Grandparents". I think people should check the facts for themselves, rather than believe the slanderous claims of opposers bent on misleading others about Jws.

rusra02 said:

I am persuaded you know that it is NOT true that Jws prevent their parents who may practice a different religion from seeing their grandchildren. Fortunately, persons interested in the truth about Jws can find extensive information about them on the jw.org website. For example, the article entitled "Why I Should Get to Knpw My Grandparents". I think people should check the facts for themselves, rather than believe the slanderous claims of opposers bent on misleading others about Jws.

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I know a woman her name is Grace. She is disfellowshipped for refusing to believe Jesus came invisibly in 1914. She is not permitted to be a part of her Jehovah's Witness family. She is dead to them. I know the woman (but not in person). She is a fine person. There are many more like her that have been cut off from their families. Are you denying the Watchtower Society has very harsh orders to keep away from every opposer, even family members? Are the convention tapes FAKE?

Are the convention talks warning about association with former witnesses FAKE?

rusra02 said:

I am persuaded you know that it is NOT true that Jws prevent their parents who may practice a different religion from seeing their grandchildren. Fortunately, persons interested in the truth about Jws can find extensive information about them on the jw.org website. For example, the article entitled "Why I Should Get to Knpw My Grandparents". I think people should check the facts for themselves, rather than believe the slanderous claims of opposers bent on misleading others about Jws.

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I think you know what she means. Shunning? Once you get baptised and you leave your JW family can't talk to you, correct?

Do Jehovah's Witnesses who accuse others of slander, when others say the Governing Body teaches shunning, even LISTEN to their Governing Body? You go door to door seeking other people who will listen to them, but do YOU?

Please, Jehovah's Witnesses on line here, tell me if the tapes of the Governing Body are faked? Is the Governing Body teaching reconciliation? Please link us to the articles about it. I am pleading, not trolling.

Do they teach you to shun opposers or do they teach you something else?

I know they don't teach calling names but, um, those on forum learn that somewhere else I guess. I am not a slanderer. If I am a slanderer then please prove it. Please link us to articles where the shunning rule has been relaxed.

I'm not stupid. I realize the evidence I am privy to is biased because it is coming from outside the organization, not inside. But according to what I hear coming from the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses shunning has become MORE sharp, not less sharp.

Are they not teaching you to protect yourself from opposers?

I realize each person is free to interpret what is coming from them, but what IS coming from them? Do Jehovah's Witnesses know?

Calling me a slanderer didn't hurt me. I am sorry it hurt YOU.

Horrorble said:

I think you know what she means. Shunning? Once you get baptised and you leave your JW family can't talk to you, correct?

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No, one who is baptized is free to stop associating and participating in Jws activities and they are not shunned or disfellowshipped. Disfellowshipping is for serious and unrepentant wrongdoing, such as is spoken of in 1 Corinthians 6:9,10. Sins such as fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, etc. persons who are disfellowshipped may be accepted back if they stop practicing wrongdoing and display repentance for serious sins they committed. Jws are simply following God's Word, which instructs us to "remove the wicked man from among yourselves." (1 Corinthians 5:11-13)

rusra02 said:

No, one who is baptized is free to stop associating and participating in Jws activities and they are not shunned or disfellowshipped. Disfellowshipping is for serious and unrepentant wrongdoing, such as is spoken of in 1 Corinthians 6:9,10. Sins such as fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, etc. persons who are disfellowshipped may be accepted back if they stop practicing wrongdoing and display repentance for serious sins they committed. Jws are simply following God's Word, which instructs us to "remove the wicked man from among yourselves." (1 Corinthians 5:11-13)

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That is interesting. There are people who do not believe the governing body are spirit inspired. They are shunned. I am being shunned. I have not heard from my "friends" in the organization for years. Why? It is because I do not believe in the governing body. That is my sin.

1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

If it is slander to disagree with the governing body it is also slander that they disagree with other church's members. Why isn't it?

It is slander to say that everyone who leaves the organization is said to leave because of SIN.

So JWs shun their family members who leave and it is because the shunners believe those who left have committed a serious sin and are unrepentant. Wonderful.

Please tell me how I am suppose to repent of my belief the governing body are not Spirit inspired?

How is Grace suppose to repent of her belief Jesus did not come in 1914?

slander - make false and damaging statements about someone

revile - criticize in an abusive or angrily insulting manner

That is what 1 Corinthians 6:10 says about behavior that is not for The Kingdom of God.

I said please prove what I said was slandererous and you seem to have put me on ignore.

Why Should I Get to Know My Grandparents? http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102001285

“When my mother and I had trouble communicating, Grandma helped us to work things out.”—Damaris.

“THROUGHOUT history, grandparents have been the key to family harmony and continuity.” So writes Dr. Arthur Kornhaber in his book Grandparent Power! He adds: “As teachers, supporters of parents, historians, nurturers, consultants, and even entertainers, their psychological, social, and spiritual functions were of paramount importance. I wondered how our society had possibly come to dismiss this powerful, multifaceted grandparent role.”
In bygone days, grandparents were a foundation stone of family life, particularly among worshipers of Jehovah God. The Bible commanded the Israelites to respect and esteem older ones. (Leviticus 19:32) Grandparents were considered especially worthy of honor.—1 Timothy 5:4.
Sad to say, times have changed. Long distances often separate families, and many youths have little contact with their grandparents. Attitudes have also changed. In many parts of the world, older ones—including relatives—are no longer treated with due respect. (2 Timothy 3:1-3) What used to be called a generation gap now seems more like a chasm. Many youths think of their grandparents as old and out of touch. They cannot imagine that these older ones could possibly understand the pressures and problems youths face today.
If that is the way you feel, be prepared to think again! For there is great value in getting to know your grandparents—especially if they are God-fearing. And if you have not got to know them, you may very well be missing out. How so?

A Source of Wisdom and Advice http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102001285
Many young people have discovered that grandparents can serve as a shelter during the stormy years of youth. Seventeen magazine observed: “With decades of experience in living, they are often more helpful in dealing with problems than friends your age, who are struggling with the same concerns you are. You and your peers are in the throes of your first life transitions; your grandparents have weathered many such passages. They are often wise as well as smart.” This advice merely echoes what the Bible said centuries ago, namely: “Gray-headedness is a crown of beauty when it is found in the way of righteousness.”—Proverbs 16:31.
True, your grandparents may have grown up in a world quite different from the one in which you now live. But you can be sure that at one time or another, they have felt the very same feelings that you are struggling with now. While you may still be relatively inexperienced in handling such feelings, your grandparents have had a lifetime in which to come to terms with them. (Proverbs 1:4) “Is there not wisdom among the aged and understanding in length of days?” asked the righteous man Job. (Job 12:12) Yes, and for that reason grandparents can often be a real asset when a youth needs some balanced advice, encouragement, or support.
Young Damaris’ grandmother, for example, lived with Damaris and her mother in the same urban apartment. “When my mother and I had trouble communicating,” Damaris recalled, “Grandmom helped us work things out. She would show me a different way of looking at things.”
Alexandria had a similar experience when her family moved and she had to change schools. “My new teacher was hard and occasionally lost her temper,” Alexandria said. Adjusting to her new school was therefore difficult for Alexandria. However, her grandmother proved to be an ally. She helped Alexandria to adjust by encouraging a more positive outlook toward the situation. “Now I like school and my teacher,” says Alexandria.
A young man in Brazil named Rafael reflects on the help that his grandparents gave him when he received some supplementary education after high school: “They gave me much counsel about association and how to resist problems with drugs.” Rafael now serves as a full-time evangelizer.
In her book Grandparenting in a Changing World, Eda LeShan relates her own experience as a grandparent. She writes: “My granddaughter called me one day and said, ‘Grandma, I need help with peer pressure.’ Some of her classmates were trying to get her to date boys, some of whom were calling her on the phone.” As a result of her granddaughter’s request for help, the grandmother was able to offer advice that provided needed assistance. You may similarly find that a brief conversation with a loving grandparent can be a source of real moral support.
Grandparents are often particularly helpful during times of family crisis, such as illness or death. After young Lacey lost her father to a serious illness, her grandmother helped her cope. “We have bonded even more than before,” says Lacey.

A Special Bond of Love http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102001285
Your relationship with your grandparent may also be free of some of the tensions that youths sometimes experience with their parents. Why might this be so? For one thing, grandparents often enjoy a special bond with their grandchildren. The Bible says: “Old men are proud of their grandchildren.”—Proverbs 17:6, Today’s English Version.
Remember, too, that it is your parents—not your grandparents—who must bear the heavy responsibility of raising you “in the discipline and mental-regulating of Jehovah.” (Ephesians 6:4) Because their role is less demanding, your grandparents may be less prone than your parents to be critical of you. Also, one’s grandparents are usually not encumbered by the responsibilities and pressures of the daily care of a family. Because they may be relatively free of such stresses, it may be easier for them to respond to your needs or to pay attention to you. Seventeen-year-old Tom recalls the attention he got from his grandparents. They would send him “little gifts for getting good report cards”; they even paid for his piano lessons.
Of course, not all grandparents are able to provide such gifts, but they may still demonstrate their interest in you, perhaps by offering you praise and encouragement or by giving you a hearing ear from time to time. This can forge deep bonds of friendship between you. Damaris says regarding her grandmother: “She makes me feel at ease, and I can go to her and talk to her at any time because she is always willing to listen—even if I am not making sense at the time.” A youth named Jônatas similarly enjoys freeness of speech and the opportunity to talk about serious subjects with his grandparents.