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Love the sinner hate the sin?

Ðanisty

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
Victor said:
:biglaugh: That is still a choice.
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It is not the choice of whether or not I walk Lucifer's path though. It is the choice of either recognizing it or walking in ignorance. You claim to be able to literally choose whether or not you believe in God....that's not the same thing!
 
jamaesi

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
It basically means to hate, despise, reject, etc. the sin, but love the sinner so much as to help them out of the sin.
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Homosexuality isn't something that is chosen.

Saying hating homosexuality is okay because you're trying to keep them out of sin is about as ridiculous as trying to keep a black person out of their dark skin by saying only white skin is good.
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Ðanisty said:
It is not the choice .......... It is the choice..... You claim to be able to literally choose whether or not you believe in God....that's not the same thing!
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:rolleyes: ....ok Danisty, I'm done with the word games.
 
jeffrey

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
Some religions believe it's a sin to eat pork. So, if someone criticized you for eating pork, told you it's a sin, told you if you didn't stop, preached end on end of how it's a sin, tried to change you because it's wrong..... But they don't. Because, IMO, they don't hate the sin. Disagree with it, don't partake in it, but don't try and stop you from it. Big difference.
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
jeffrey said:
Some religions believe it's a sin to eat pork. So, if someone criticized you for eating pork, told you it's a sin, told you if you didn't stop, preached end on end of how it's a sin, tried to change you because it's wrong..... But they don't. Because, IMO, they don't hate the sin. Disagree with it, don't partake in it, but don't try and stop you from it. Big difference.
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Isn't this kinda like a smoker telling a non-smoker not to smoke?
 
S

standing_alone

Well-Known Member
Time for a stupid inane post from me! :)clap ) Ever since I first encountered Betty Bowers, whenever I hear the phrase "Love the sinner, hate the sin" I always think of this:


I'll now let you go back to your debate.:D
 
jeffrey

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
Victor said:
Isn't this kinda like a smoker telling a non-smoker not to smoke?
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LOL. Good point. In all fairness, I neither see you or any Catholic trying to instate their beliefs on others. You believe in your heart what's right for you, and you will never hear me say that what you believe in is wrong for you.
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
jeffrey said:
LOL. Good point. In all fairness, I neither see you or any Catholic trying to instate their beliefs on others. You believe in your heart what's right for you, and you will never hear me say that what you believe in is wrong for you.
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That's fine Jeffrey and I will try my best not to do that either. Although I personally don't mind if you tell me I'm wrong. If you love a person you will want to help them, don't you think?
 
Mike182

Mike182

Flaming Queer
spookboy0 said:
Hate the sin and love the sinner.

It basically means to hate, despise, reject, etc. the sin, but love the sinner so much as to help them out of the sin.
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you see, this all depends on what you deem as sin

if you see homosexuality as sin, then you will try to help all homosexuals become hetrosexual - and i will ask you to respectfully back down, and not try to change me, because i cannot see how a loving bond between any consenting people is dirty, filthy and sinful

where are you left then? by your definition, when you are no longer able to "help the sinner out of sin" all you are left with is the "hate, despise and rejection" - this is of course providing that rejection of sin goes hand in hand with helping the sinner out of sin as you suggest it does

Danisty - you shall be karmatised as soon as ive spread some:D
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Mike182 said:
where are you left then? by your definition, when you are no longer able to "help the sinner out of sin" all you are left with is the "hate, despise and rejection" - this is of course providing that rejection of sin goes hand in hand with helping the sinner out of sin as you suggest it does
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What would you do if you saw someone struggling with sin? Just think of something you personally identify as a sin and run with it.
 
Evenstar

Evenstar

The Wicked Christian
Talking of sin.... Its also a sin to use your tongue, to bad mouth people. James 3:8 to 10
But that does not stop some... now lets turn this around a touch.​
You are saying about sinning, but before you look in someone else's closet, check your own..... Not one of us are that perfect.
 
jeffrey

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
Victor said:
That's fine Jeffrey and I will try my best not to do that either. Although I personally don't mind if you tell me I'm wrong. If you love a person you will want to help them, don't you think?
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Like telling them not to eat pork? :D
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
jeffrey said:
Like telling them not to eat pork? :D
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I would personally not waist my time with something like that. I was thinking of more day to day type of struggles, like drug addictions, etc.
 
Aqualung

Aqualung

Tasty
Victor said:
I would personally not waist my time with something like that. I was thinking of more day to day type of struggles, like drug addictions, etc.
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I would accept it. I would love that they are addicted to drugs! Howe fun! After all, I don't want to be judgemental. :rolleyes:
 
jeffrey

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
When people tell me I'm sinning, tell me my path is wrong, when God has led me down this path, who I'm I to believe? In the same way, I will not tell you what you are doing is a sin, not my call. When you tell people that what they do is a sin... maybe for you, but not for them. If what someone else does, if it does not harm you or anyone else, let them be.
 
Mike182

Mike182

Flaming Queer
Victor said:
What would you do if you saw someone struggling with sin? Just think of something you personally identify as a sin and run with it.
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i would first see if they really are struggling with it

i do not "struggle" with homosexuality

i personally would struggle with having an affair, because i personally don't like the idea of an affair, i think that if i had an affair i would be betraying someone, and it would be wrong of me

but this is my own personal subjective morality, not everyones - if someone really was genuinley struggling with something, i would offer to help, its their right to refuse, and if they refused, i would respectfully back off

i personally could never take a human life, but in some cultures it is deemed as acceptable as a form of revenge or as a form of survival. morality is not fixed, it is not objective (IMO) it is different for every single person, and as such, the ethics of one person cannot be applied to everyone when it comes to issues of consentual activities

i think that was a tangent about how i view morality........ perhaps a seperate thread if someone wishes to explore this deeper
 
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