Agnostic75
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why can't we have a relationship with other men?
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You can have a relationship with other men. Who said you can't? You're a free agent, you can do what you want (within the limits of the law, of course).
captainbryce
Active Member
Society says they can't! Homosexuality while "legal" (at least in the US) is still not accepted as normal by the mainstream, and still considered taboo and morally wrong by society. Society is homophobic (largely driven by the judgmental religious types like yourself). I think what the OP is asking is why is it considered "wrong" for a man to have a relationship with a man, according to the homophobic society at large (which you represent).
My question is, why are there so many homosexual themed threads on this board today? Did we just get an influx of homosexuals or an influx of homophobes? I can't tell.
Really? Then how is it possible that homosexuals are getting married, when society says they can't? Unless they are ignoring society, and the legal definition of marriage, and doing it anyways.
dgirl1986
Big Queer Chesticles!
You get an influx of people obsessed with who people have sex with and how they have sex rather than focusing on the important stuff.
captainbryce
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Let me repeat what I previously wrote since you seemed to have missed what I said the first time:
Homosexuality while "legal" (at least in the US) is still not accepted as normal by the mainstream, and still considered taboo and morally wrong by society.
First of all, gays STILL don't have the right to marry or adopt in all states yet. The legal definition of marriage is changing to allow for gay marriage since DOMA was repealed. But that is something that has just occurred this year (in case you didn't notice). Slowly, but surely gays are getting equal rights under the law. But that still doesn't mean that most people accept homosexuality as normal. The fact is, they don't. And this is evident in any established social setting from high school, to the sports locker room, to the military, to mainstream media, to the BSA, to Chik-Fil-A. Being called "f_gg_t" or "queer" is still considered to be one of the more derogatory insults for a male at every level of society.
captainbryce
Active Member
Well some people don't consider religion important, but at least that is the theme of this forum. I don't see what homosexuality has to do with anything here, unless someone is making a religious argument against homosexuality (which nobody here has done yet).
dgirl1986
Big Queer Chesticles!
Religion is important to the religious.
There have been plenty of religious arugements against homosexuality. You just might have to read through pages and pages of various threads to see it.
Agnostic75
Well-Known Member
captainbryce said:
This is a very long thread, and you have not been following it since it started or you would have known that 1robin has made many religious arguments against homosexuality. So has Ken Brown, and some other Christians have also made some religious arguments against it.
You must know that millions of American Christians oppose homosexuality at least partly on religious grounds. The Southern Baptist Convention is the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S. They do not allow openly homosexual people to join their church. Neither does the Mormon church. Both denominations claim that the Bible forbids homosexuality. So do some other Christian denominations.
During the 2008 Republican primary, a number of presidential hopefuls criticized homosexuality on religious grounds. So have many Republican U.S. Senators, and Congressmen.
Numerous conservative Christian organizations, such as the Family Research Council, oppose homosexuality partly on religious grounds.
Many people oppose homosexuality at least partly on secular grounds, and that is what 1robin has mainly been discussing for the past several weeks. His main arguments are religious arguments, which he has admitted, but he is trying to show that there are also some valid secular arguments against it.
There are still tens of millions of conservative Christians in the U.S., and they oppose all kinds of things based largely on religious grounds.
Agnostic75
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Agnostic75
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A June 3, 2013 article at The Global Divide on Homosexuality | Pew Global Attitudes Project provides statistics regarding the percentage of people who accept homosexuality in various countries. In the U.S., 60% accept it and 33% reject it.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Actually, the Mormon Church does allow openly homosexual to join their church, and even to hold some leadership positions. They just require the individual to be celibate in order to be a member "in good standing." They also require unmarried heterosexual people to be celibate.
Xian Catalyst
Member
And you just did the same thing you condemned them for. You just judged them over something you have no knowledge of.
Interesting how that works, wot?
Agnostic75
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Katzpur said:
By "openly homosexual," I meant practicing homosexuals, and the Mormon church does not allow practicing homosexuals to join their church.
Agnostic75
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Message to 1robin: Please reply to my posts #1536, # 1537, #1538, #1539, and #1540.
Walkntune
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When a pastor or preacher points to a sin in a man's life they are still looking to the tree of knowledge of good and evil, trying to be like God knowing good and evil. the truth is Adam is not our beginning. Jesus is our beginning. when you point to a man's fallen state it will most likely cause him to run and hide as it did Adam and Eve in the garden. I've heard preacher's teach people that we still have a sin nature because of Adam. why are so many still pointing to the first Adam when the last Adam is our beginning? To love is to accept and God had already loved us first and its why He sent his son. Not so we could find acceptance but so that we could know how much he loved and accepted us. Before there was Jesus (the Word made flesh) the acceptance was already there. He sent Jesus to reveal this truth as he ministered and dined with the sinners. It is truly His love that flows through us that cleans away our unrighteousness and not us getting rid of our unrighteousness so His love can flow.
Its the love of God that runs through a man that cleans the man and not the man who cleans himself so Gods love can run through him. The obvious was shutting a man out of the church so he could not receive from the church to enter the kingdom.
If you judge then judge righteously because you will be judged by the same measure.
ImprobableBeing
Active Member
Why is his a discussion? Equal rights should be a thing we have moved beyond at this point, but no.
There has to be that ONE GROUP, like the KKK or Christians that feel the need to discriminate per their beliefs...
Ya, i bist die Religous and so i tink i haz the reicht to dizcriminate az i see fitz, ja.
Retarded people will believe retarded things, let's move on and allow anyone who wants to marry whoever he loves that can sign the contract to marry and realize that it has NOTHING what so ever to do with anyone but them.
There has to be that ONE GROUP, like the KKK or Christians that feel the need to discriminate per their beliefs...
Ya, i bist die Religous and so i tink i haz the reicht to dizcriminate az i see fitz, ja.
Retarded people will believe retarded things, let's move on and allow anyone who wants to marry whoever he loves that can sign the contract to marry and realize that it has NOTHING what so ever to do with anyone but them.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
I have no need to show that all babies with guns kill others to claim that babies with guns is a bad idea and causes much harm. I have no idea what your talking about. There is nothing extreme about anything I said. It is based on secular fact and is shared by far more people than it's opposite. I see liberal tactic 101 has surfaced since an argument could not. No matter how many facts line up, how many people agree, or how many ways the truth of it has been proven call it extreme and dismiss it.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
Personally do not agree that Churches should turn away those in most need of their help. However Paul's letters suggest very strongly that the Church should not allow sin to fester in the Church. There are some very chilling demands made to contend with open sin in Church. If Jesus is God and God has claimed homosexuality is an abomination I can have sympathy for those churches that at least exclude open homosexuality. It is hard questions like this that have made me glad it is not my decision. There is even a gay church in my town and I live in one of the most conservative places of earth.