homosexual Christians

jeffrey · Feb 13, 2006

divine said:
'sexuality' in itself is a modern concept. noone was 'homosexual' or 'heterosexual' before the late 19th century.

i myself don't at all believe in genetic factors - to me, sexuality is environmental/culture, at least as far as we can know. that doesn't mean anything in terms of 'right' or 'wrong'. homo- or bisexuality can't be 'cured', and there's no reason to try.

nobody's getting hurt. quite the opposite, in fact.

i feel deeply for homosexual christians, i guess they can't help being christian either. god knows you have to take a lot of [insert your own word here, choose desired strength].

Great post. Will give karma when I get more to pass out,

Beautiful Midnight Kisses · Feb 13, 2006

I've never quite understood this concept of homosexual Christians, to me, it's a bit of an oxymoron, maybe someone could explain.

1) There are several scriptures in the Old and New Testament that condemn homosexuality, do you just ignore those scriptures and pick and choose what you want out of the Bible? that sort of reminds me of the thread that I saw earlier about treating your religion as a cafeteria style religion.

2) How do you reconcile youself being homosexual and a Christian? I've never quite understood that.

3) I am in now way condemning you or calling you bad people, I am just curious in how this works out.

Mike182 · Feb 13, 2006

Beautiful Midnight Kisses said:
I've never quite understood this concept of homosexual Christians, to me, it's a bit of an oxymoron, maybe someone could explain.

1) There are several scriptures in the Old and New Testament that condemn homosexuality, do you just ignore those scriptures and pick and choose what you want out of the Bible? that sort of reminds me of the thread that I saw earlier about treating your religion as a cafeteria style religion.

2) How do you reconcile youself being homosexual and a Christian? I've never quite understood that.

3) I am in now way condemning you or calling you bad people, I am just curious in how this works out.

did you read the thread before you posted? :areyoucra

oxymoron?:banghead3

d. · Feb 13, 2006

Beautiful Midnight Kisses said:
1) There are several scriptures in the Old and New Testament that condemn homosexuality, do you just ignore those scriptures and pick and choose what you want out of the Bible? that sort of reminds me of the thread that I saw earlier about treating your religion as a cafeteria style religion.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm

michel · Feb 13, 2006

Beautiful Midnight Kisses said:
I've never quite understood this concept of homosexual Christians, to me, it's a bit of an oxymoron, maybe someone could explain.

1) There are several scriptures in the Old and New Testament that condemn homosexuality, do you just ignore those scriptures and pick and choose what you want out of the Bible? that sort of reminds me of the thread that I saw earlier about treating your religion as a cafeteria style religion.

2) How do you reconcile youself being homosexual and a Christian? I've never quite understood that.

3) I am in now way condemning you or calling you bad people, I am just curious in how this works out.

An oxymoron ? Thats a dumb bull. oh, sorry, I thought that was what you wanted explained........:biglaugh:

I am sorry, but what you have said is pure balderdash. The bible may have p[assages that refer to the 'homosexual sex act' but not homosexuals. Besides, I am a Christian, I understand the prime Focus of Christianity is 'Love'. Maybe some who call themselves Christians might bear that in mind. There is also the 'Judge ye not............':sarcastic

Fluffy · Feb 13, 2006

1) There are several scriptures in the Old and New Testament that condemn homosexuality, do you just ignore those scriptures and pick and choose what you want out of the Bible? that sort of reminds me of the thread that I saw earlier about treating your religion as a cafeteria style religion.

I believe that all of the passages you are talking about can be resolved in one way or another. In my mind, the very nature of the Bible means that if we are going to choose to believe in God, then picking and choosing the bits that actually make sense is vastly more sensible than attempting to go along with the entire thing.

Besides, I think you will find that homosexuality is not quite as clear cut in the Bible, or Christianity for that matter, than some like to make it out to be.

Edit: the link posted by divine is a good starting place as to why.

Beautiful Midnight Kisses · Feb 13, 2006

michel said:
An oxymoron ? Thats a dumb bull. oh, sorry, I thought that was what you wanted explained........:biglaugh:

I am sorry, but what you have said is pure balderdash. The bible may have p[assages that refer to the 'homosexual sex act' but not homosexuals. Besides, I am a Christian, I understand the prime Focus of Christianity is 'Love'. Maybe some who call themselves Christians might bear that in mind. There is also the 'Judge ye not............':sarcastic

Thank you oh so very much michel for calling my opinion, my thoughts and my ideas balderdash. I was expressing my opinion and I wanted a question answered and only one person seemed kind enough to do that for me, maybe two.

1) Aren't we entitled to our own opinions on this forum? Shouldn't we be aloud to express how we feel?

2) I feel now that you consider my questions, ideas, and thoughts stupid. Thanks for that, it's greatly appreciated to know that I'm stupid and so are my ideas.

3) Judge not, eh? I don't know if I can find it, but there are several scriptures that advocate judging, I'll have to look for those and get back to you on that.

4) It seems no one cares to hear my opinions here, so I might as well shut up if you are going to biased against them and tell me I'm wrong.

-BMK

P.S. This is how I'm feeling right now. I am not sorry if I offend you, because these are MY feelings, NOT yours.

pdoel · Feb 13, 2006

Beautiful Midnight Kisses said:
Thank you oh so very much michel for calling my opinion, my thoughts and my ideas balderdash. I was expressing my opinion and I wanted a question answered and only one person seemed kind enough to do that for me, maybe two.

1) Aren't we entitled to our own opinions on this forum? Shouldn't we be aloud to express how we feel?

The question is, if I'm not mistaken, how can someone be gay and a Christian. I answered that awhile back.

Now, if you were to say you thought all homosexuals were going to hell, then maybe, that's an opinion type thing. But saying it's not possible for someone to be gay AND be a Christian, well, that's not really opinion. That's just you saying something that is in fact, not true.

I'm a gay Christian. I believe that I'm exactly the person God intended me to be. While some people may say that homosexuality is wrong, I do not believe that God says that, and I do not believe God will condemn me to hell for being gay.

Christians come in all shapes and sizes. I could say that I think all people who judge are going to Hell. That could be my opinion. But it does not mean that someone can't judge and be a Christian.

I don't really see how being a gay Christian is an oxymoron. An oxymoron is something where to things contradict one another. Just because some "Christians" like telling us that homosexuality is wrong, does not mean that it is. And it does not mean that God doesn't love homosexuals. I follow God's word. Not the word of some of his followers.

Mike182 · Feb 13, 2006

Beautiful Midnight Kisses said:
Thank you oh so very much michel for calling my opinion, my thoughts and my ideas balderdash. I was expressing my opinion and I wanted a question answered and only one person seemed kind enough to do that for me, maybe two.

1) Aren't we entitled to our own opinions on this forum? Shouldn't we be aloud to express how we feel?

you are, and so are we - there will be times when they will clash

2) I feel now that you consider my questions, ideas, and thoughts stupid. Thanks for that, it's greatly appreciated to know that I'm stupid and so are my ideas.

you have interprited michels post as a personal attack, it was not.

3) Judge not, eh? I don't know if I can find it, but there are several scriptures that advocate judging, I'll have to look for those and get back to you on that.

perhaps a seperate debate thread for these, when you are ready

4) It seems no one cares to hear my opinions here, so I might as well shut up if you are going to biased against them and tell me I'm wrong.

i am always happy to hear opposing views, its just that in my mind, your view on this subject lacks substance

P.S. This is how I'm feeling right now. I am not sorry if I offend you, because these are MY feelings, NOT yours.

you have not offended, but you seem very upset by this - this is a debate thread, opposition is the name of the game, but we (the mod team) do not tollerate personal attack on anyone - all the posts i can see are attacking your oppinion, not you as a person.

Beautiful Midnight Kisses · Feb 13, 2006

Mike182 said:
you are, and so are we - there will be times when they will clash
you have interprited michels post as a personal attack, it was not.
perhaps a seperate debate thread for these, when you are ready
i am always happy to hear opposing views, its just that in my mind, your view on this subject lacks substance
you have not offended, but you seem very upset by this - this is a debate thread, opposition is the name of the game, but we (the mod team) do not tollerate personal attack on anyone - all the posts i can see are attacking your oppinion, not you as a person.

Mike, My subject lacks substance? How very kind of you. Obviously you do not tolerate 'personal' attacks on anyone. It's quite clear how you treat people who do not approve of certain kinds of sexuality.

1) I have never said once that I was against homosexuality, yet, many of you seem to think I am, which is ridiculous. Stop assuming, it makes an *** out of yourself.

2) It's obvious what sort of tolerance is allowed at this forum.

3) I'll keep my mouth shut and I will not say anything contrary to the mod's views. Figures this would be like this. You say you are tolerant and accepting of others, but yet, you are not of people who seem to have diiferent views on things. Especially such things as homosexuality.

waacman · Feb 13, 2006

Beautiful Midnight Kisses said:
3) Judge not, eh? I don't know if I can find it, but there are several scriptures that advocate judging, I'll have to look for those and get back to you on that.

Don't worry BMK, here's at least one passage in which the Bible supports judging one another (in LOVE though)

Matthew 7:1-5

1 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged."

2 "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by you standard of measure, it will be measured to you."

3 "'Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

4 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye', and behold, the log is in your own eye?"

5 "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

Basically one can judge others, but only if he/she is willing to be judged by the same standard that they are using to judge people.

(the reason the quotations are in red is b/c Christ said this, sorry if it looks to condemning or bold, it wasn't my purpose or intent to do that, just merely to show respect for Christ's words)

Mister_T · Feb 13, 2006

waacman said:
Don't worry BMK, here's at least one passage in which the Bible supports judging one another (in LOVE though)

Matthew 7:1-5

1 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged."

2 "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by you standard of measure, it will be measured to you."

3 "'Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

4 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye', and behold, the log is in your own eye?"

5 "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

Basically one can judge others, but only if he/she is willing to be judged by the same standard that they are using to judge people.

(the reason the quotations are in red is b/c Christ said this, sorry if it looks to condemning or bold, it wasn't my purpose or intent to do that, just merely to show respect for Christ's words)

I would rather not judge at all and save myself the negetivity. Loving is so much nicer than judging.:hug:

shema · Feb 16, 2006

The Bible teaches come unto Christ as you are. However we are not to remain in the baby stage of christianity forever. God works on us in his own time. I used to be be attracted to other females, but I learned that To be a true christian is to meditate on God's word. The bible says we can move mountains as long as our faith in Christ allows us to. Im saying this because I used to be attracted to people of the same sex, but ever since I started studying the word. I was no longer ignorant to the fact that what ever fetish/addiction we are struggling with, Jesus will take it away. so I no longer have the desire to be with the same sex. and I am now married.

Mike182 · Feb 16, 2006

shema said:
The Bible teaches come unto Christ as you are. However we are not to remain in the baby stage of christianity forever. God works on us in his own time. I used to be be attracted to other females, but I learned that To be a true christian is to meditate on God's word. The bible says we can move mountains as long as our faith in Christ allows us to. Im saying this because I used to be attracted to people of the same sex, but ever since I started studying the word. I was no longer ignorant to the fact that what ever fetish/addiction we are struggling with, Jesus will take it away. so I no longer have the desire to be with the same sex. and I am now married.

i studied....... im still gay :faint: i guess God chooses not to do this to everyone

d. · Feb 16, 2006

waacman said:
Don't worry BMK, here's at least one passage in which the Bible supports judging one another (in LOVE though)

Matthew 7:1-5

1 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged."

2 "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by you standard of measure, it will be measured to you."

3 "'Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

4 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye', and behold, the log is in your own eye?"

5 "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

Basically one can judge others, but only if he/she is willing to be judged by the same standard that they are using to judge people.

(the reason the quotations are in red is b/c Christ said this, sorry if it looks to condemning or bold, it wasn't my purpose or intent to do that, just merely to show respect for Christ's words)

or another interpretation would be, only a person who has truly looked inside themselves and seen their own faults and shortcomings, can truly help other people. precisely because they won't point their finger in judgment. but instead help people through genuine care and love.

homosexuality isn't a 'fault' or 'shortcoming', however, this is a general statement.

when you know yourself and your own shortcomings, then you'll be able to help your brother/sister. because then you won't point your finger in judgement, but rather

Pah · Feb 16, 2006

shema said:
The Bible teaches come unto Christ as you are. However we are not to remain in the baby stage of christianity forever. God works on us in his own time. I used to be be attracted to other females, but I learned that To be a true christian is to meditate on God's word. The bible says we can move mountains as long as our faith in Christ allows us to. Im saying this because I used to be attracted to people of the same sex, but ever since I started studying the word. I was no longer ignorant to the fact that what ever fetish/addiction we are struggling with, Jesus will take it away. so I no longer have the desire to be with the same sex. and I am now married.

I've read many posts from those who have gone in the exact opposite direction. They became, in accordance with God's revelation, partnered with the same sex after having married and raised a family.

waacman · Feb 16, 2006

Pah said:
I've read many posts from those who have gone in the exact opposite direction. They became, in accordance with God's revelation, partnered with the same sex after having married and raised a family.

So b/c they're homosexual that makes it right to break apart from the husband or wife they made a lifelong commitment to? The breaking apart of a family? How is this God's revelation? Perhaps I would be wrong here, but usually seperation of a husband and wife is not good for a family and has adverse affects on the rest of the family regardless of how old the children are? How is everything going with that family now?

waacman · Feb 16, 2006

divine said:
or another interpretation would be, only a person who has truly looked inside themselves and seen their own faults and shortcomings, can truly help other people. precisely because they won't point their finger in judgment. but instead help people through genuine care and love.

homosexuality isn't a 'fault' or 'shortcoming', however, this is a general statement.

when you know yourself and your own shortcomings, then you'll be able to help your brother/sister. because then you won't point your finger in judgement, but rather

We probably have to determine what the word "judge" or "judgement" means in regards to God vs. human judgement. There is a HUGE difference between when God "judges" someone and when humans "judge" someone.

shema · Feb 16, 2006

Pah said:
I've read many posts from those who have gone in the exact opposite direction. They became, in accordance with God's revelation, partnered with the same sex after having married and raised a family.

To christians, faith is the coin of the realm of the kingdom of God just like money is the coin of the realm of the earth. if you want a new car you can have it, as long as you have the money to buy it. if you want a change in your life, you have to have the faith to pay for it. if someone really wants to live their life according to Gods word, than they have to want to be everything that the word of God says they are. when you allow Jesus to take over and free you of strongholds, it is possible. We believe that with God all things are possible. If you try something and it doesnt work, it is only because you tried and not have done.
I hope this helps you to understand. but whether gay straight, drug addict, child molester, we are all God's children, and only have to answer to him

robtex · Feb 16, 2006

shema said:
To christians, faith is the coin of the realm of the kingdom of God just like money is the coin of the realm of the earth. if you want a new car you can have it, as long as you have the money to buy it. if you want a change in your life, you have to have the faith to pay for it. if someone really wants to live their life according to Gods word, than they have to want to be everything that the word of God says they are. when you allow Jesus to take over and free you of strongholds, it is possible. We believe that with God all things are possible. If you try something and it doesnt work, it is only because you tried and not have done.
I hope this helps you to understand. but whether gay straight, drug addict, child molester, we are all God's children, and only have to answer to him

From my understanding this post is pretty accuate to how many hetro Christians feel about homosexuality which leads me to wonder why a homosexual would choose to follow a religion knowing many of the others of the same faith feel this way? Why not pick the runner-up for a religious choice?

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