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Holes in the trinity
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Walkntune
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He was always the Word made flesh from the beginning.
My questions to you are who are you? Are you your flesh? are you your Spirit? Are you your mind. Please indentify which one you are. If you are all three how is that possible? Also if you are a Christian please explain if it is the Spirit of Christ living in you or the Spirit of God and what the differences are? Are you really you at all or have you died to yourself so Christ can live through you?
You are not listening. I believe he was always the word made flesh from the beginning. But before he was baptized he was an expectation. Like a pregnancy.
I am not my flesh. Absolutely not! If I was then it could not be true that God does not judge the outside which is my flesh.
Tell you what.....you find something that says Jesus has been known from the beginning and I will consider surrendering.
Being from the beginning (he was) and being known from the beginning are DIFFERENT.
A woman does not know what her baby will be until it is born. Then she doesn't know what the child will be until he grows up. That is the case with The Word.
Being from the beginning (he was) and being known from the beginning are DIFFERENT.
A woman does not know what her baby will be until it is born. Then she doesn't know what the child will be until he grows up. That is the case with The Word.
It is Christ's spirit living in me. But Christ's spirit is united with God's Spirit. Yehoshua Messiah is the mediator between the man and God. Yehoshua has no mediator. Maybe that is why you think he is God.
I am sure there is only one judgement. Which of these two do not get judged?
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Walkntune
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Truth is you will never understand carnally that which is spiritual. Did not Adam and Eve become one flesh?
Straw man.
When you want to say you but you mean we write it with a capital Y. Please do that.
Also so you don't look superior sounding forget the You and just write we. OK? Or maybe you don't mean you, just me?
I want to didicate this post to JJ
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Walkntune
Well-Known Member
Doesnt really matter whether I say you, we, us ,them ,others, etc.... Salvagewind still wont either.
Matthew 11:15 Listen, every one who has ears!
Matthew 13:9 Listen, every one who has ears!"
Matthew 13:43 Then will the righteous shine out like the sun in their Father's Kingdom. Listen, every one who has ears!
Matthew 15:10 He summoned the multitude, and said to them, "Hear, and understand.
Mark 4:24 He said to them, "Take heed what you hear...."
Mark 7:14 Then Jesus called the people to Him again. "Listen to me, all of you," He said, "and understand...."
Mark 9:7 A cloud came, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, "This is my beloved Son. Listen to him.
Luke 8:8 But some of the seed falls into good ground, and grows up and yields a return of a hundred for one." While thus speaking, He cried aloud and said, "Listen, every one who has ears to listen with!"
Luke 8:18 Be careful therefore how you hear. For whoever has, to him will be given; and whoever doesn't have, from him will be taken away even that which he thinks he has.
Luke 9:35 A voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is my beloved Son. Listen to him!"
John 8:47 He who is a child of God listens to God's words. You do not listen to them: and why? It is because you are not God's children.
John 10:3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name, and leads them out.
John 10:16 I have also other sheep--which do not belong to this fold. Those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice; and they shall become one flock under one Shepherd.
John 10:27 My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
Hebrews 12:25 Be careful not to refuse to listen to Him who is speaking to you. For if they of old did not escape unpunished when they refused to listen to him who spoke on earth, much less shall we escape who turn a deaf ear to Him who now speaks from Heaven.
1 John 4:6 We are of God. He who knows God listens to us. He who is not of God doesn't listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error
You say Truth is you will never understand carnally that which is spiritual
But then why is the command to listen so prominent? Are you preaching another gospel? I should warn you, not wise.
Matthew 13:9 Listen, every one who has ears!"
Matthew 13:43 Then will the righteous shine out like the sun in their Father's Kingdom. Listen, every one who has ears!
Matthew 15:10 He summoned the multitude, and said to them, "Hear, and understand.
Mark 4:24 He said to them, "Take heed what you hear...."
Mark 7:14 Then Jesus called the people to Him again. "Listen to me, all of you," He said, "and understand...."
Mark 9:7 A cloud came, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, "This is my beloved Son. Listen to him.
Luke 8:8 But some of the seed falls into good ground, and grows up and yields a return of a hundred for one." While thus speaking, He cried aloud and said, "Listen, every one who has ears to listen with!"
Luke 8:18 Be careful therefore how you hear. For whoever has, to him will be given; and whoever doesn't have, from him will be taken away even that which he thinks he has.
Luke 9:35 A voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is my beloved Son. Listen to him!"
John 8:47 He who is a child of God listens to God's words. You do not listen to them: and why? It is because you are not God's children.
John 10:3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name, and leads them out.
John 10:16 I have also other sheep--which do not belong to this fold. Those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice; and they shall become one flock under one Shepherd.
John 10:27 My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
Hebrews 12:25 Be careful not to refuse to listen to Him who is speaking to you. For if they of old did not escape unpunished when they refused to listen to him who spoke on earth, much less shall we escape who turn a deaf ear to Him who now speaks from Heaven.
1 John 4:6 We are of God. He who knows God listens to us. He who is not of God doesn't listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error
You say Truth is you will never understand carnally that which is spiritual
But then why is the command to listen so prominent? Are you preaching another gospel? I should warn you, not wise.
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
Romans 8
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Shermana
Heretic
Indeed, those of the Carnal Mind feel no need to be subject to the Law of God. They even feel it's okay to rewrite what "Law of God" means from what it meant for many centuries when they aren't busy going by theologies that say the Law is no longer binding altogether.
yokomodoful
Member
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Psalm 110:1
The Lord said unto my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool"
As for Genesis 1:26, God is not speaking to angels. The plural pronouns (us, our) are used 6 different times in four passages in Genesis.
Then God (plural elohim) said, "Let Us (plural pronoun) make man in Our...
If God was speaking to Angels that would mean that the angels our equally our creator, but only God is our creator
Early Christians new the Father is speaking to the Son. One example is:
74 AD Epistle of Barnabas 'For the scripture says concerning us, while He speaks to the Son, "Let Us make man in our image..."
Shermana
Heretic
Angels would not be equally our creator if they are simply doing the work they are assigned. Besides, the use of the plural verb "Let us" clearly indicates that it's more than one being involved, and not just different "persons" of the same "being". So yes, it was in fact the Angels doing the creating, the "Sons of god", as the Jewish Midrash agrees. But they were simply doing the busy work. They would have no power or ability with THE god at the helm directing and providing the source material and energy. At what point do you think the Angels were created exactly?
The ancient Logos concept is that the Personification of Wisdom, the firstborn Created Being, the Chief of the Angels, served as the Vehicle of which all things were made. Proverbs 8 is not just abstract Metaphor.
The Epistle of Barnabas was written before any trace of the concept of the Trinity or Modalism, so it clearly indicates that they went by this Logos Theology.
Most traditional Trinitarian scholars are urging their audiences to not use Genesis 1:26 as a proof text these days.
The ancient Logos concept is that the Personification of Wisdom, the firstborn Created Being, the Chief of the Angels, served as the Vehicle of which all things were made. Proverbs 8 is not just abstract Metaphor.
The Epistle of Barnabas was written before any trace of the concept of the Trinity or Modalism, so it clearly indicates that they went by this Logos Theology.
Most traditional Trinitarian scholars are urging their audiences to not use Genesis 1:26 as a proof text these days.
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Our image and our likeness are two words each found only once in the book. They are very ancient words. I won't cling to their so-called meaning. It might even mean our from the standpoint of the created thing.
LINK Genesis 1:26 Hebrew Text Analysis
LINK Genesis 1:26 Hebrew Text Analysis
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
Yes but the term Us is found twice (as I remember) in Genesis. The account of the creation of Adam, and the account of the destruction of common language in Babel.
I suppose now I wish I knew Hebrew. Us at Genesis 11:7 seems to be assumed. If it is obvious, I don't doubt for one second it might have been put there by someone not holy.*
LINK Genesis 11:7 Hebrew Text Analysis
*Many people believe God has not allowed the unholy to touch the Bible, but I confess, I have touched it, so I know it is possible....and probable. Actually definite.
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
Both of us are correct as its a two edged sword.There are two sides to God.God is perfect love. The very same love in its purest perfect form that joins a man and a woman.Its the strongest bond holding existance together. This is why the Bible says what God has joined together let no man put assunder. To not walk in love is to walk in the law of sin and death. To walk in the law s of sin and death is to be carnally minded which is why it is death. You can either serve the right side of the Father where Jesus sits which is grace and love or you can serve the Left side of the Father which is his wrathful side which is the laws of sin and death. We all serve one side or the other.
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FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
Dualism at its finest.