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Pope Francis: Church too focused on gays and abortion

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
Staff member
Premium Member
BBC - Pope Francis has said the Catholic Church is too focused on preaching about abortion, gay people and contraception and needs to become more merciful.

He warned that the Church's moral structure could "fall like a house of cards" unless it changed.

The Pope used the first major interview of his papacy to explain comments he made in July about homosexuality.

He told a Jesuit magazine the Church must show balance and "heal wounds".
The pontiff used the 12,000-word interview with La Civilta Cattolicato to set out his priorities as Pope, acknowledge his own shortcomings and open up about his cultural interests.

'Freshness and fragrance'

His vision for relegating the Catholic Church's reliance on rules marks a contrast to the priorities of his predecessors, John Paul II and Benedict XVI, who saw doctrine as the paramount guide for clergy

"The church's pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently," Francis said.
"We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel."

Instead, he said, the Catholic Church must work to heal the wounds of its faithful and seek out those who have been excluded or have fallen away.

"It is useless to ask a seriously injured person if he has high cholesterol and about the level of his blood sugars," he said. "You have to heal his wounds. Then we can talk about everything else."

He said the Church had become tied up in "small-minded rules" and risked losing its true purpose.

"The most important thing is the first proclamation: Jesus Christ has saved you. And the ministers of the Church must be ministers of mercy above all.''

His remarks could generate dismay among clergy in the United States who have already expressed disappointment that Francis has not pressed Church teaching on abortion, contraception and homosexuality.

Last week, Bishop Thomas Tobin of Providence, Rhode Island, wrote in his diocesan newspaper that he was "disappointed" Francis hadn't addressed abortion since his papacy began six months ago, according to AP.

Francis said it was not necessary to speak out on such issues.

'Home of all'

"We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible,'' he said.

"The teaching of the Church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the Church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.''

Francis created headlines two months ago when he spoke about gay priests during an impromptu news conference on a return flight from Brazil. He said it was not up to him to judge about the sexual orientation of clergy as long as they were searching for God and had goodwill.

In his latest interview, Francis said his remarks were in line with Catholic teaching.

"This Church with which we should be thinking is the home of all, not a small chapel that can hold only a small group of selected people. We must not reduce the bosom of the universal Church to a nest protecting our mediocrity,'' he said.

Francis also used the interview to detail his favourite composers, artists, authors and films, which include Mozart, Caravaggio, Dostoevsky and Fellini's La Strada.

BBC News - Pope Francis: Church too focused on gays and abortion
 
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MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
I have heard Pope Francis' interview to be very refreshing to many Catholics I know, including my family. They're motivated to be more active in the church, and what's more is that younger audiences and older-more-jaded audiences are considering joining or re-joining the church specifically because of Pope Francis.

I don't know how welcoming he is making things for women (that's what I read). But it certainly seems as if he is quickly becoming a popular Pope.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
My wife, who is a life-long Catholic of 64 years, is really excited now as she had been considering leaving the church.
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
Staff member
Premium Member
Over on NCR, John Allen commented:

"..."The church sometimes has locked itself up in small things, in small-minded rules," Francis says. "Ministers of the church must be ministers of mercy above all."

The pope also warns against a "restorationist" mentality in Catholicism and insists that "thinking with the church" cannot mean solely thinking with the hierarchy. Francis also pointedly says, "I have never been a right-winger."

Among other things, Pope Francis says the church has no right to "interfere spiritually" in the lives of gays and lesbians, expanding on his now-famous "Who am I to judge?" line about homosexuals during his airborne press conference during a flight from Brazil to Rome in late July....

As the archbishop of Buenos Aires, Argentina, Francis says, he received letters from gays and lesbians who said they were "socially wounded" because they felt the church condemned them.

"The church does not want to do this," he says...

In saying these things, Francis argues, he's doing no more than rephrasing the Catechism of the Catholic Church...
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
Staff member
Premium Member
The Holy Father said this in the interview:

"...If the Christian is a restorationist, a legalist, if he wants everything clear and safe, then he will find nothing. Tradition and memory of the past must help us to have the courage to open up new areas to God. Those who today always look for disciplinarian solutions, those who long for an exaggerated doctrinal 'security,' those who stubbornly try to recover a past that no longer exists -- they have a static and inward-directed view of things. In this way, faith becomes an ideology among other ideologies..."
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
This Pope is definitely good news. For Catholics and non-Catholics alike, far as I can tell.
 

InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
Well, it COULD lead to a schism with the more ultra orthadox forming their own church while the RCC becomes a more moderate entity, that said, while such behaviour may in the short and mid term lead to some ideological and organisational conflict, I believe that this is an essential process if the RCC is to survive until the 23rd century (within 200 years were it to progress with its prior message, in all honesty I am not sure that it would remain viable)
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I'm not sure the conditions for such a major schism to happen exist. There will be some internal conflict for certain, but I don't think much of it is truly new.

My gut feeling is that his predecessor renounced because he realized that this conflict must be expressed and resolved instead of repressed and denied. Tradition is always important to the RCC, but there are no substitutes for relevancy, trust and commitment. The sooner the conditions to regain those are consolidated in the Church, the better it will deal with the challenges ahead of it.
 

Freedomelf

Active Member
I was raised a Catholic but left the church at age 16. This is the first time in my life that it has even crossed my mind to return to Catholicism. I probably won't do it, but it has crossed my mind, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
 
Pope Francis I is the most accessible Pope ever...he is funny, and loving....and for a man who kisses the feet of aids victims, the phrase homophobic should never be even closely linked. He seems not to care about the church's traditional poses, but rather about people. He is exciting to see. God love Benedict, but he was a scholar. Pope Francis is the kind of guy you want to have a glass of wine with and talk. Every picture of people he is with...they are "beaming"...he has walked over and signed a cast on a little girl's leg; blessed a huge rally of bikers; will take a group pic on someone Iphone for them and in the very early days, when given the keys to Renault he hoped in and took a quick spin...literally leaving the security men standing in the street looking at each other..thats my man, Pope Francis I.
 

Maya3

Well-Known Member
Metis!! Long time no see! I did not know that you were on these forums :)

I think Pope Francis seems to be a truly nice and spiritual person.
It's wonderful for Catholics.

Maya
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
He is truly refreshing, some one the church has been waiting for.
But do not think he is soft or a pushover.
It seems his faith is not based on a set of church defined rules. But he is always open to the guidance of God. One can undrerstand why the "church" has always avoided Jesuits in the papacy.

It is a pity he still conforms with the traditional place of women in the church, but perhaps the time for that change is not yet right.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
I was raised a Catholic but left the church at age 16. This is the first time in my life that it has even crossed my mind to return to Catholicism. I probably won't do it, but it has crossed my mind, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
No disrespect intended but why would you want to return to a religion where you depend on one man to make up your mind as to what is right and wrong? Especially if this definition can change from leader to leader?
 

Whiterain

Get me off of this planet
The church just forfeit most of its regimental judgements, rejoice until the next Pope.

Unless the Church/ Pope reclaims these judgments.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
No disrespect intended but why would you want to return to a religion where you depend on one man to make up your mind as to what is right and wrong? Especially if this definition can change from leader to leader?

I'm not Catholic, but the above is not how the RCC formulates canon law.
 

SageTree

Spiritual Friend
Premium Member
Lord have mercy on Pope Francis, he's in an uphill battle with the squeaky wheels.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
And you don't feel that millions of devoted Catholics look to the Pope for their spiritual guidance?

Of course, but what you posted was: "No disrespect intended but why would you want to return to a religion where you depend on one man to make up your mind as to what is right and wrong? Especially if this definition can change from leader to leader?".

On top of that, the church has it's teachings, but it's the responsibility of each Catholic to go in the direction their informed conscience takes them, even if it goes against canon law.
 
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