Curious George
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This would include- Teachers, Pediatricians, Bus Drivers and any occupation where one knows they will have contact with children: Are they perverts and molesters?
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Men who work with kids
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Not necessarily, but any of those men should avoid being alone with children at almost any cost due to the prevailing attitudes.
No more so than women who work with kids.
I remember, however, that I used to work for the Boys and Girls Club of America, and most of the staff at my location were male. The kids didn't have a problem with it, and neither did the parents. But the age-groups we dealt with were from 6 to 18, and most of the kids during the school year were in middle-school, where there's plenty of male teachers (at least where I was; heck, I think most of my middle-school teachers were male.)
I think this stigma seems to extend primarily to preschool/elementary school age groups. My elementary school had exactly one male teacher when I was attending. Now, growing up almost entirely with female teachers/guardians will ingrain into the subconscious that men "just don't do it", and so that might be contributing to the stereotype.
Honestly, I'm not sure what to do about the problem, since I think most of the problems that arise from it stem from the subconscious; all things being equal, an employer will choose the female applicant over the male applicant, and may not be able to answer exactly why.
I remember, however, that I used to work for the Boys and Girls Club of America, and most of the staff at my location were male. The kids didn't have a problem with it, and neither did the parents. But the age-groups we dealt with were from 6 to 18, and most of the kids during the school year were in middle-school, where there's plenty of male teachers (at least where I was; heck, I think most of my middle-school teachers were male.)
I think this stigma seems to extend primarily to preschool/elementary school age groups. My elementary school had exactly one male teacher when I was attending. Now, growing up almost entirely with female teachers/guardians will ingrain into the subconscious that men "just don't do it", and so that might be contributing to the stereotype.
Honestly, I'm not sure what to do about the problem, since I think most of the problems that arise from it stem from the subconscious; all things being equal, an employer will choose the female applicant over the male applicant, and may not be able to answer exactly why.
dgirl1986
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Absolutely not. I find it sad that less men are pursuing careers in education and jobs to do with children thanks to the stereotype of pedos.
Alceste
Vagabond
No. Child molesters are child molesters. People who work with children could be there for any number of reasons. The opportunity to molest children is a very rare motivator, statistically speaking. While people who have an urge to hurt children might seek out careers that put them in contact with children, the VAST MAJORITY of children who are abused suffer that abuse at home via family members and trusted family friends.
Alceste
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I don't think that's a significant reason men are not pursuing ECE careers, personally. I'm not completely closed to the idea, but I would need to see some evidence that this is the case, if indeed it is the case.
I think men are not pursuing ECE careers for the same reason they're not pursuing careers as housekeepers, nurses, dental assistants, secretaries, receptionists, etc. There is a social stigma that doing what is generally considered a "woman's job" makes a man less of a man.
Even the guy who brought this consideration up in the first place was originally talking about how no man in his right mind would want a job "wiping bums", wasn't he? The molestation stuff only came up later, after the "wiping bums" misconception was corrected.
dgirl1986
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I remember there being some segment on tv here a while back that said young men were hesitant about going into such fields because of the stigma associated not just with it being a womans job but not wanting to be accused of anything. I have only ever seen 1 male childcare worker in my time which I think is sad. I hope there will be an even balance one day.
Perhaps, but it's evening out, now.
The stigma of women being inherently weak is dying. Slowly, but it is dying. With its death, the idea that men who take part in womens' activities are also weak (and thus fit only to be laughed at) will die as well.
Aquitaine
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I can only hope so.
Sadly though, I can see problems when it comes to wanting to be a stay-at-home Dad, since it earns you no money, and has mostly been seen as a "Woman's job". Whereas a Male working in childcare/nursing etc is still actually earning money, even if he is doing a "Woman's job".
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Short answer: No. Long answer: Nope.
Me Myself
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I think the macho thing contributes to people asking why the heck he does that? That brings no money.
"i like kids" can sound suspicious to a idiotic extremely polarized mindset which is not uncommon.
I think it would have to do more with posible ridicule than anything else though. Cant say I know.
"i like kids" can sound suspicious to a idiotic extremely polarized mindset which is not uncommon.
I think it would have to do more with posible ridicule than anything else though. Cant say I know.
Aquitaine
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I thought the short answer was "no" and the long answer was "nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"?
So really, "nope" is only the mid-long answer.
Alceste
Vagabond
Actually, that's because we have fought like hell to have access to those jobs. Then, when we finally managed to kick down those doors, we fought like hell to be free from sexual harassment in the workplace. And it's not over. When I got a job in a male dominated field in the 90s, I was sexually harassed constantly and then blacklisted by the union - IOW, I was prohibited from working on Union shows. The only reason they ever gave me was "some of the guys are saying you're a tease".
If a man wants to be a teacher or a nurse, all he has to do is get the prerequisite qualifications and start applying for a job. That's it. There are no legal or administrative barriers whatsoever.
Not like the barriers women faced when they wanted to start working with heavy machinery, or in mines, or on fishing boats, etc. It was ILLEGAL for women to do that kind of work. And it was also LEGAL for Unions to prohibit membership of women in order to protect unionized jobs for men alone. The admission policies of most universities specified that certain professions MUST be reserved for men only. Marie Curie, for example - the ONLY person ever to have won a Nobel Peace Prize in multiple sciences - was not permitted to study at an accredited university in Poland, on account of not having a penis.
Just saying, you simply can't compare the experiences of men who want to be nurses with the experiences of women who want jobs in male dominated fields. The WORST that is going to happen to a male nurse or kindergarten teacher is somebody might snicker at his job choice and he'll feel sad. BIG FREAKING DEAL. Boo hoo!
(Scuze me, kind of touched a nerve there...
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Me Myself
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I wouldnt undermine the pressure to do something "more manly" that can come with certain carrer choices for men. At all.
The same way many women were and are defined by who they marry or how much of a stepford wives they are men were and are defined by their carreer choices, and in very narrow idiotic terms too.
I honestly dont feel it is a "boo hoo"ing matter, and I dont get why you feel the comparison is relevant to the subject of discussion either.
The same way many women were and are defined by who they marry or how much of a stepford wives they are men were and are defined by their carreer choices, and in very narrow idiotic terms too.
I honestly dont feel it is a "boo hoo"ing matter, and I dont get why you feel the comparison is relevant to the subject of discussion either.
Aquitaine
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Actually, that's because we have fought like hell to have access to those jobs. Then, when we finally managed to kick down those doors, we fought like hell to be free from sexual harassment in the workplace. And it's not over. When I got a job in a male dominated field in the 90s, I was sexually harassed constantly and then blacklisted by the union - IOW, I was prohibited from working on Union shows. The only reason they ever gave me was "some of the guys are saying you're a tease".
If a man wants to be a teacher or a nurse, all he has to do is get the prerequisite qualifications and start applying for a job. That's it. There are no legal or administrative barriers whatsoever.
Not like the barriers women faced when they wanted to start working with heavy machinery, or in mines, or on fishing boats, etc. It was ILLEGAL for women to do that kind of work. And it was also LEGAL for Unions to prohibit membership of women in order to protect unionized jobs for men alone. The admission policies of most universities specified that certain professions MUST be reserved for men only. Marie Curie, for example - the ONLY person ever to have won a Nobel Peace Prize in multiple sciences - was not permitted to study at an accredited university in Poland, on account of not having a penis.
Just saying, you simply can't compare the experiences of men who want to be nurses with the experiences of women who want jobs in male dominated fields. The WORST that is going to happen to a male nurse or kindergarten teacher is somebody might snicker at his job choice and he'll feel sad. BIG FREAKING DEAL. Boo hoo!
(Scuze me, kind of touched a nerve there...
Alceste
Vagabond
It's relevant because there are no barriers. Having to be a member of a union to work, and having that union closed to your entire gender, THAT is a barrier. Feeling like maybe your job doesn't pay very much, or it's not very respectable, or that it might make you seem a little less manly, that is NOT a barrier. It's all in your head. You can have whatever job you want - the only obstacle is YOUR attitude. There are no legal or institutional obstacles to men having whatever job they want. All they need to do is get the relevant qualifications and start applying.
Me Myself
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Its irelevant because we are discussing men issues and you are comparing them with woman's issues. This is not a who is e bigger victim war.
We are talking about unecessary stereotyping and problems that arise when men take jobs unstereotypical to them. You dont seem to be talking about e problems nor the solutions, so I dont see how any of what you are saying is of any relevance to the OP honestly.