Need input from heterosexual, non-feminist men, who are not perverts or molesters

Curious George · Sep 10, 2013

In another thread a user suggested, by and large, the only men who pursue work with children are perverts and molesters. He seems to believe:

maninthewilderness said:
The ONLY people who are trying to make society accept men in "non traditional roles" (baby sitters, nannies, elementary school teachers, ECE staff, etc..) are radical feminist, perverts and molesters, gay men who identify as feminine, and transgender men who identify as feminine.

Virtually no heterosexual men are fighting for this.
Virtually no heterosexual women are fighting for this.

So Curious George, I ask you this:

Does your occupation make you frequently work with very small children?

While I am not a radical feminist, I am a feminist. But I was wondering how non-feminist hetero sexual men feel. Are my feminist beliefs separating me here? Or should we encourage men to take as active a role in children's lives as we do women?

HiddenDjinn · Sep 10, 2013

Well, in simpler times, a man would just as likely change a diaper as a woman. Mainly due to the fact: That baby grew to be another back to help with the plough. Its survival enhanced the quality of life of the family as a whole.

Curious George · Sep 10, 2013

nyRednek said:
Well, in simpler times, a man would just as likely change a diaper as a woman. Mainly due to the fact: That baby grew to be another back to help with the plough. Its survival enhanced the quality of life of the family as a whole.

I am sorry Rednek, you are going to have to be very clear if you can. Should our society promote and encourage men in non-traditional roles?

ryobi · Sep 10, 2013

"Need input from heterosexual, non-feminist men, who are not perverts or molesters"

Good luck as a feminist don't you believe that basically every heterosexual man is a pervert and a molester?

Curious George · Sep 10, 2013

ryobi said:
"Need input from heterosexual, non-feminist men, who are not perverts or molesters"

Good luck as a feminist don't you believe that basically every heterosexual man is a pervert and a molester?

No. I certainly do not.

Curious George · Sep 10, 2013

ryobi said:
"Need input from heterosexual, non-feminist men, who are not perverts or molesters"

Good luck as a feminist don't you believe that basically every heterosexual man is a pervert and a molester?

And your take on men in non-traditional roles? Should it be encouraged?

ryobi · Sep 10, 2013

As a man I would be reticent to work with small children due to the very real possibility of at worst being falsly accused and at best being constantly under suspician

Curious George · Sep 10, 2013

ryobi said:
As a man I would be reticent to work with small children due to the very real possibility of at worst being falsely accused and at best being constantly under suspicion

I do understand the reticence, however, I would like to know whether we should encourage men to work with small children or whether we should discourage men from working with small children.

ryobi · Sep 10, 2013

Curious George said:
And your take on men in non-traditional roles? Should it be encouraged?

I had some great female teachers in grade school. Junior high on the other hand, I had some of the worst. If you don't like children, you shouldn't be a teacher. Women seem to have more of an affinity for children than men, but there are exceptions to every rule.

HiddenDjinn · Sep 10, 2013

I agree with ryobi: Under the current male-hostile culture, a man should avoid situations that would expose him to the stress that would come with the assumption of impropriety. That includes working with small children or in any female-dominated occupation.

Curious George · Sep 10, 2013

nyRednek said:
I agree with ryobi: Under the current male-hostile culture, a man should avoid situations that would expose him to the stress that would come with the assumption of impropriety. That includes working with small children or in any female-dominated occupation.

And should we work to remove aspects of our culture which are "male-hostile" such as the contention that only perverts and molesters want to work with small children?

HiddenDjinn · Sep 10, 2013

Curious George said:
And should we work to remove aspects of our culture which are "male-hostile" such as the contention that only perverts and molesters want to work with small children?

There exists no mechanism to do so.

lewisnotmiller · Sep 10, 2013

Curious George said:
In another thread a user suggested, by and large, the only men who pursue work with children are perverts and molesters. He seems to believe:

While I am not a radical feminist, I am a feminist. But I was wondering how non-feminist hetero sexual men feel. Are my feminist beliefs separating me here? Or should we encourage men to take as active a role in children's lives as we do women?

Ugh...So I'm posting here under sufferance. I made a one off exception and posted in the Feminist forum once, so I guess there's precedent.

l'm a former primary school teacher. lam neither pervert, nor molester, nor misogynist. Happily married, with kids of my own. Having men in schools is a positive thing. I would encourage whomever thinks differently to post their 'reasoning'.

Happy to take questions.

Oh, and assuming there's nothing contextual lam missing, the original quote from maninthewilderness is the biggest pile of crap I've read since coming here, which is a big statement. It's also offensive, which is the first time since starting to post here I could say I've been personally offended. It's a rare thing for me.

Curious George · Sep 10, 2013

nyRednek said:
There exists no mechanism to do so.

That is a fatalist attitude.

If we agree that society in general is more suspect of males in relation to sexual violence of any type. And, this is part of what you refer to as the male-hostile environment, I would like to think that we can proactively change the level of suspicion or prejudice which males face here. Part of doing this, I would argue is making sure that males are part of the education and learning of young children. It stands to reason that through interaction prejudices fall. If our children grow up distanced from males to whom our society is hostile, would not they to see men with hostility?

lewisnotmiller · Sep 10, 2013

nyRednek said:
There exists no mechanism to do so.

Rubbish.

desideraht · Sep 10, 2013

Considering the user called trans women "transgender men" I have a hard time believing they are educated enough about gender issues to be making very credible arguments about it. People like him tend to believe anyone who is a feminist is a "radical feminist", and that anyone who isn't a lumberjack must be a homosexual, emasculated tranny mess, who's too gay to function.

philbo · Sep 10, 2013

Curious George said:
And should we work to remove aspects of our culture which are "male-hostile" such as the contention that only perverts and molesters want to work with small children?

My contention would be that only ******** and idiots would contend that only perverts and molesters want to work with small children.

LuisDantas · Sep 10, 2013

Curious George said:
Or should we encourage men to take as active a role in children's lives as we do women?

We definitely should. People shouldn't be alienated from their own next generation, regardless of blood ties or genre roles.

HiddenDjinn · Sep 10, 2013

Curious George said:
That is a fatalist attitude.

Well, with feminism dominating dialog regarding gender roles and the current feminist rhetoric demonizing men at every turn, it's a realist one.

bobhikes · Sep 10, 2013

I'm to busy with real problems to fight for any of that.

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