Alceste
Vagabond
You don't have to not believe in hell for it to be completely fictional either. Our belief or disbelief has zero impact on the factual non-existence of hell.
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Survival
- Thread starter InChrist
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You don't have to not believe in hell for it to be completely fictional either. Our belief or disbelief has zero impact on the factual non-existence of hell.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. Reincarnation with divine orchestration is truth?
I just wanted to point out that anyone can state a personal belief as if it were fact. it remains a personal belief, whether you choose to believe that, or not.
Call_of_the_Wild
Well-Known Member
Pascal's Wager
Call_of_the_Wild
Well-Known Member
Maybe I misunderstood you. My point was even if one does believe in reincarnation, that would still require a supernatural explanation.
True, but I also think it is important for people to have good logical reasons for why they believe what they believe, Christians most certainly do.
outhouse
Atheistically
Have to agree.
To be dead is one thing, to have never really lived is alltogether another.
outhouse
Atheistically
And just think for 2000 years now, there is nothing but wrong people thinking
"the end is near"
I rarely engage in these kinds of discussions. (Mystics don't argue.) But this much we agree on.
Everyone will survive it because it's not going to happen.
What are the good logical reasons that Christians have to believe what they believe?
Alceste
Vagabond
I've only ever heard the closed circle:
1. I know the Bible is true because it is the word of God.
2. I know it is the word of God because it says so in the Bible.
I guess circular logic is a form of logic...
Alceste
Vagabond
I suppose.not my logic, however...:no:
You have a logical argument for the existence of hell that doesn't depend on the Bible being the word of God? I'd love to hear it!
The next chapter in Revelation (chapter 7) describes "a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues"
who are saved when God's day of anger falls upon this system of things. I believe true Christians who are faithful will survive the coming end of this wicked system. (2 Peter 3;11-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9)
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
'The wrath of the Lamb?'
Well that doesn't sound too impressive.
All it took last time to dispose of the hipster from Galilee was a platoon of Roman Legionnaires. What makes you think JC will return commanding an armada this time?
Maybe he'll get the shortest end of the stick a second time.
Don't get me wrong, I don't underestimate the fact that he might have been planning his return for over 2000 years. So he must have a few surprises. On the other hand I'm taking into account that his return has been written by scribes who were rooting for him, so there is no surprise they would add trumpets, angels, and saints to the image.
The world survived many prophets, miracle makers, gurus, and rabbis. My gut feeling is that most people would go about their business and live to see another day. Maybe they'll dedicate a corner to JC on Bill Maher's Real Time, or another late night talk show.
Call_of_the_Wild
Well-Known Member
The historicity based on the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ for one thing.
Call_of_the_Wild
Well-Known Member
We only use this one if we are dialoguing with other believers.
Never heard of that one.
Alceste
Vagabond
People use "the Bible (or the Koran) is the word of God" all the time in conversations with non-believers, or people of other faiths. Heck, they come right up to my door and try to tell me this. The second part is their inevitable answer to the question "How do you know the Bible / Koran is the word of God"? There are various forms, but for the most part, they try to answer the question by quoting from the Bible. Totally ridiculous, IMO.
Call_of_the_Wild
Well-Known Member
Well unfortunately, there isn't much teaching on Christian Apologetics in churches. That is one of the many things that are lacking in Christianity. If there were, then the believer would have no problem responding to "How do you know the Bible/Koran is the word of God".
Alceste
Vagabond
Call_of_the_Wild
Well-Known Member
Why don't you give me a little demonstration?
Of what? The question, or of Christian Apologetics?