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Christianity just a mix of other religions?
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Pah
Uber all member
linwood said:
Try http://websearch.cs.com/cs/browse?id=5821624&source=CSBrowse for a list
For your library visit, I liked Campbells Primative Mythology and, separately, Creative Mythology both from the same series "The Masks of God".
-pah-
Corban
Member
The fact that some similiar ideas are spread through out many different cultures and religions is more evidence of the validity of the Christian idea and the Bible than evidence against it. If the bible is true, then Adam was the first man, God taught him his gospel and he taught it to his children, and as the population of the earth grew these people expanded and brought these teachings with them, the same thing happened after the flood, new cultures were established from one central core, where God taught his people, the fact that cultures share similiar ideas is evidence that they have a common heritage where the foundation of these ideas were originally taught, thus it is not correct to say that we see evidence of other cultures in Jesus, but more correct to say we see evidence of the original teachings of Jehovah to his people in other cultures, that we can then compare to the original as said again by Jesus.
linwood
Well-Known Member
Corban said:
Wait a second.
The very fact that many of these pre-Biblical myths exist in written form (parchment) is proof the Biblical flood didn`t happen.
The fact that many of these written myths originated in a geographically close area to the Biblical flood means they would have most definately been destroyed.
That is if the Biblical version of the epic flood was indeed the first.
Which we know it`s not but ....oh well..intersting thought anyway.
Corban
Member
linwood said:
Well we would have to look at what original parchments your talking about and where they originated to substantiate that point. but the previous point by pah, about the stories coming before the bible is completely invalid, yes they probable came before the bible as we know it, but we do not have all the writings of the prophets, we do not have the writings of Adam and enoch and pre deluge prophets, but it was from these that the original truths were taught from which these other beliefs stemmed
linwood
Well-Known Member
Sunstone said:
Hey...I`m not making this stuff up.
I`ve had dozens of Christians tell me this online when I presented evidence of pre-Biblical Christ stories online and 4 have actually looked me in the eye and said it with a perfectly straight face in real life.
They then vehemently argued it as if I was a fool for not seeing the logic in it.
I don`t get it either.
linwood
Well-Known Member
After a real quick search the earliest mention of Horus in written word I can find is 324BCE in the Jumilhac Papyrus.
This is 324 years before the birth of Christ,
http://www.leidenuniv.nl/nino/aeb98/aeb98_6.html
However this is most probably not the date of the original of the Horus myth as many other sites mention stone carvings/paintings and possibly more parchment that predates Christianity by thousands of years.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm
Again just a real quick search and not conclusive at all.
I`ll have a go at establishing an earlier parchment date if it exists as it`s alluded to when I have more time.
This is 324 years before the birth of Christ,
http://www.leidenuniv.nl/nino/aeb98/aeb98_6.html
However this is most probably not the date of the original of the Horus myth as many other sites mention stone carvings/paintings and possibly more parchment that predates Christianity by thousands of years.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm
Again just a real quick search and not conclusive at all.
I`ll have a go at establishing an earlier parchment date if it exists as it`s alluded to when I have more time.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Horus is a pre-dynastic God. His history reaches far back to Egypts origins.
Menes (also known as Aha or Scorpion) 3100-2850 B.C. had Horus in part of his names. His 'Horus name' or his devine name. (the Pharaoh had as many as five names, adding to our later confusion.)
By this point Horus was a fully formed god, with many temples and a well stuctured priesthood. So it is likely that Horus' origen goes back eaven further although writing is still in its formitive stage making it hard to find 'written evidence'.
I think calling Christianity a mix of other religons plays down the achievement that christianity made. In finding ways to absorb other religions quickly and seamlessly it enabled it to spread as far and as quickly as it did. All religions borrow from one another in varying degrees, but Christianity took it to a whole new level enableing it to 'swallow up' other cultures and thier religions. An idea, incedentaly, they may have borrowed from imperial Rome.
Christianity today, in the world of global communication, does not do this anymore. The phenomina was IMHO restricted to the early history of the religion when communication was more difficult and thus such tactics were easier to get away with without raising the ire of the rest of the faith.
The last time I think this happined was when Christianity began to incorperate aspects of the Mayan and Aztec and Incan faiths into itself to spead to the natives of Central and South America.
Or perhaps it is the clever action of the older 'pagan' faiths to keep themselves viable and relively free from persicution?
"Hey, you what are you doing? Praying to some banned "evil pagan" deity?"
"no, no we're not praying to Brigit(Brigantia) the Goddess... we're praying to Brigid the Saint."
"oh, carry on then, carry on."
I'm just waiting for St. Coyote...
wa:do
Menes (also known as Aha or Scorpion) 3100-2850 B.C. had Horus in part of his names. His 'Horus name' or his devine name. (the Pharaoh had as many as five names, adding to our later confusion.)
By this point Horus was a fully formed god, with many temples and a well stuctured priesthood. So it is likely that Horus' origen goes back eaven further although writing is still in its formitive stage making it hard to find 'written evidence'.
I think calling Christianity a mix of other religons plays down the achievement that christianity made. In finding ways to absorb other religions quickly and seamlessly it enabled it to spread as far and as quickly as it did. All religions borrow from one another in varying degrees, but Christianity took it to a whole new level enableing it to 'swallow up' other cultures and thier religions. An idea, incedentaly, they may have borrowed from imperial Rome.
Christianity today, in the world of global communication, does not do this anymore. The phenomina was IMHO restricted to the early history of the religion when communication was more difficult and thus such tactics were easier to get away with without raising the ire of the rest of the faith.
The last time I think this happined was when Christianity began to incorperate aspects of the Mayan and Aztec and Incan faiths into itself to spead to the natives of Central and South America.
Or perhaps it is the clever action of the older 'pagan' faiths to keep themselves viable and relively free from persicution?
"Hey, you what are you doing? Praying to some banned "evil pagan" deity?"
"no, no we're not praying to Brigit(Brigantia) the Goddess... we're praying to Brigid the Saint."
"oh, carry on then, carry on."
I'm just waiting for St. Coyote...
wa:do
skills101
Vicar of Christ
Actually, it's the Greek* god Zeus
And to read the entire story yourself, http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3480. The author of this story, Aeschylus (http://www.imagi-nation.com/moonstruck/clsc3.htm) lived from 525-458 B.C.This is an important discussion, and please, if you cannot handle contradiction of your religion, do not take part in this discussion.
Lightkeeper
Well-Known Member
Watcher said:
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Quetzacoatl also figured in the eaven earlier Olmec civilization and was one of the most cosmopolitan of the mesoamerican gods. Aztec history admits to taking ideas from the other prior successful cultures and makeing them thier own when they gave up thier nomadic lifestyle. There was a tremendous amount of cultural and religious sharing going on in Central America.
Isrial and India are only seperated by a few thousand miles, it is certenly within the relm of possibility that one can travel that distance in ones lifetime. Iban Batuta the great 13th century traveler managed to travel around 73,000 miles in thirty years. From Morroco to Mecca to Delhi to Peking and many places inbetween. (sometimes visiting the same place several times.)
Merchants most certenly would have had reason to make this sort of trip. So yeah, sharing would have been well within the real of possibility.
wa:do
Isrial and India are only seperated by a few thousand miles, it is certenly within the relm of possibility that one can travel that distance in ones lifetime. Iban Batuta the great 13th century traveler managed to travel around 73,000 miles in thirty years. From Morroco to Mecca to Delhi to Peking and many places inbetween. (sometimes visiting the same place several times.)
Merchants most certenly would have had reason to make this sort of trip. So yeah, sharing would have been well within the real of possibility.
wa:do
thomasedison
Member
Why most of the religions preach practically the same things?
Human nature remains the same. It doesn't change. The things that the first religion taught (God, Faith, Belief, Selflessness, Altruism, etc.) was widely accepted by the people, especially the weaker, less able section. Why would future religions want to change it?
Human nature remains the same. It doesn't change. The things that the first religion taught (God, Faith, Belief, Selflessness, Altruism, etc.) was widely accepted by the people, especially the weaker, less able section. Why would future religions want to change it?
Hello all, I am new here and am intrigued by all these different conversations.
I am curious though, if Christianity is merely a mix of all other religions then would it be fair to say that other gods did the same thing as Jesus? In other words, does that mean that other gods became man in order to reconcile man back to God?
Thanks
I am curious though, if Christianity is merely a mix of all other religions then would it be fair to say that other gods did the same thing as Jesus? In other words, does that mean that other gods became man in order to reconcile man back to God?
Thanks