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evolution in schools

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jonmarkgo

Member
I dont understand why people want evolution to stop being taught in schools for a few reason.
1. even if evolution isnt correct, maybe studying it will help people discover how things happened and if you stop teaching it then no one will ever know.
2. If you are a creationist or something like that maybe you shouldnt be sending your child to a public school
3. most schools say that it is still a theory plus it is science so it has to be taught

i have always thought that creationism is sort of the lazy man's answer to the universe. I mean, they can just use god as an answer to everything and not think twice about it.
 
Aqualung

Aqualung

Tasty
I don't think anybody wants evolution to stop being taught, but just that evolution of humans stop being taught as the only theory.
 
Atheist_Dave

Atheist_Dave

*Foxy Lady*
Evolution of humans is not the only theory taught, school teach religion too, and atheist parents don't campaign to have it stopped. I think its to do with religious parents being scared that their children will not carry the delusion on through the generations. I agree that creationism is somewhat of a cop-out, a handy theory to sum up everything in one convient word, god.

Peace x
 
linwood

linwood

Well-Known Member
Aqualung said:
I don't think anybody wants evolution to stop being taught, but just that evolution of humans stop being taught as the only theory.
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There is no other theory.

As soon as another theory comes around i`ll be the first to advocate it but I`m not holding my breath.

I know the evidence for evolution and it precludes any other theory to the point of opposing evolution.

Creationism is a cop out.
 
Ceridwen018

Ceridwen018

Well-Known Member
linwood said:
There is no other theory.
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That's what I was just about to say. There is no other scientific theory for the origin of species other than evolution. If you want to talk about religious theories, on the other hand, that's a different matter completely. Obviously, though, it would be ridiculous to teach all of the different religious creation myths in the science classroom, but I'm sure we all see the silliness in that.

One may argue that, "We don't want to teach all of the different creation myths of the different religions, we just want to teach that God** in general could have created things." Ah, I can see the lesson now:

Teacher: Ok kids, today I'm going to teach you about Intelligent Design.
Students: What's that?
Teacher: Well kids, its the theory that states that God created everything in the universe, instead of things evolving through evolution.
Students: How does it work?
Teacher: What?
Students: You know, how does "Intelligent Design" work? Evolution works through natural selection and survival of the fittest, with genetics playing a large role in diversity. So, how does ID work?
Teacher: God's powers cause it to work!
Students: God's powers...you mean, like electricity?
Teacher: Um...nno
Students: Are we going to learn about evidence for ID, and experiments done to test it?
Teacher: Evidence? Experiments? Oh dear...

**Disclaimer: The idea of "God" may be introduced in so far as this idea of "God" remain singular and masculine, in accordance with the Judeo-Christian idea of "God".
 
linwood

linwood

Well-Known Member
Aqualung said:
It may be a cop-out, but it's a theory many people still hold.
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No it`s not.

Gravity is theory, creationism is a fairy tale.

Appeals to popularity aren`t good evidence.
 
linwood

linwood

Well-Known Member
DanDanTheCoffeyMan said:
I personaly think that if you teach evolution in a school then you also have to teach creasionism and vise versa
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Why do you think this?

There is a plethora of scientific evidence for evolution but none for creationism.

Why should an ideology with no basis in demonstrable fact be taught to children?
 
linwood

linwood

Well-Known Member
Victor said:
A cop out? Why is it a cop out linwood?
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It`s a cop out because if everybody had the inclination to merely state "god did it" then we would learn nothing of how our universe actually works.

Why bother?
God did it.
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
linwood said:
It`s a cop out because if everybody had the inclination to merely state "god did it" then we would learn nothing of how our universe actually works.

Why bother?
God did it.
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It would be a cop-out if that is what religion was trying to do.:sarcastic Is that what you think it's trying to do?
 
Faint

Faint

Well-Known Member
linwood said:
It`s a cop out because if everybody had the inclination to merely state "god did it" then we would learn nothing of how our universe actually works.

Why bother?
God did it.
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Actually, I rather like this post. Creationism does seem more like sloth than a search for knowledge.
 
linwood

linwood

Well-Known Member
Victor said:
It would be a cop-out if that is what religion was trying to do.:sarcastic Is that what you think it's trying to do?
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Thats not what I said Victor.

I said... creationism is a cop out.

I mentioned nothing of religion as many people who have no religion believe in creationsim as well as thousands of religions having entirely different creation stories.

I never mentioned intent of any of these options
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
linwood said:
Thats not what I said Victor.

I said... creationism is a cop out.

I mentioned nothing of religion as many people who have no religion believe in creationsim as well as thousands of religions having entirely different creation stories.

I never mentioned intent of any of these options
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Very well, I stand corrected. BTW, how exactly is creationism doing what you are saying?
 
Bishadi

Bishadi

Active Member
Creationists represent the base theologies that are underwriting just a few real nasty global issues, if you haven’t noticed.



These same blinders are worn by the very spiritual leaders that have molded and corrupted our religions.



In fact what would cause a creationist, with all the evidence supporting evolution, to not acknowledge it or believe it? Lack of data! And I am not suggesting all of the required data on evolution is complete and ready for review but because the material specifying “creation” is varied on interpretation and can be easily understood that it is very simple in content. We can also mention they had no clue how to describe biology, back when. In fact the vast majority barely knew how to write, so how could they describe any of the sciences we know. Even if the big guy ‘breathed’ the words how could they symbolize “nuclear warfare’ or even describe an eclipse. Heck do you know how many people still think the “red” sea parted?



If most creationist spent more time really doing some homework most of these debates would not be wasted energy, because it’s probably “one of them” that will cure cancer or diabetes, once that gang begins teaching their children proper.



The old works basically are for people to learn how to live together. In today’s world we need to grow and that includes ‘evolve’. Just think if we had a little latitude in the sciences back in 400 AD we would probably be taking vacations to mars or have already cured cancer, not to mention maybe a LITTLE MORE PEACE!:banghead3
 
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i believe in tranquility

Member
BASICALLY THIS: THE PROBLEM WITH THE "NO" GOD THEORY IS, ONCE YOU HAVE UNTANGLED THE BILLIONS OF YEARS TO GET BEFORE EARTH WAS EVEN A SPHERE, YOU FIND THE DUST DISK THEORY....THEN ONE ASKS: WHERE DID THE DUST COME FROM...since dust cant just appear (ACCORDING TO EVOLUTION)....
 
Beautiful Midnight Kisses

Beautiful Midnight Kisses

Member
1. Maybe evolution is correct, maybe it isn't. It's all in how you look at it, and everyone has different opinions on that. They should keep it to themselves though, just as creationism should be kept out of schools. Church and state should be seperate unless you are attending a private religious institution.

2. I'm not quite sure what you mean by, "If you are a creationist or something like that maybe you shouldnt be sending your child to a public school", but why shouldn't they? They have a right to attend public schools also.

3. In response to, "most schools say that it is still a theory plus it is science so it has to be taught". I have a solution, maybe it could be taught in a way that is less offense to the creationists? I believe and it has been proven that humans evolve as do animals, we naturally evolve in certain conditions. I don't not believe that we evolve from primates though, that's a bit silly.
 
darkwaldo

darkwaldo

Member
Beautiful Midnight Kisses said:
1. Maybe evolution is correct, maybe it isn't. It's all in how you look at it, and everyone has different opinions on that. They should keep it to themselves though, just as creationism should be kept out of schools. Church and state should be seperate unless you are attending a private religious institution.

2. I'm not quite sure what you mean by, "If you are a creationist or something like that maybe you shouldnt be sending your child to a public school", but why shouldn't they? They have a right to attend public schools also.

3. In response to, "most schools say that it is still a theory plus it is science so it has to be taught". I have a solution, maybe it could be taught in a way that is less offense to the creationists? I believe and it has been proven that humans evolve as do animals, we naturally evolve in certain conditions. I don't not believe that we evolve from primates though, that's a bit silly.
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Are you saying that evolution shouldn't be taught in schools as well as creationism? Biology class teaches fact and then usually backs the facts up with experimentation. How would you suggest making it less offensive?
 
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