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homosexual Christians

pdoel

pdoel

Active Member
waacman said:
The reason I ask is this: suppose I say that a homosexual lifestyle is wrong, I not only say it is wrong, but the reason that it is wrong is b/c the Bible tells us that it is.
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All of our lifestyles are sinful. By nature, Humans have sin. There is no separating humans from sin other than accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

So pointing out that the homosexual lifestyle is wrong seems silly to me. So many people focus on that one issue, and ignore all the other sins that we commit every single day.
 
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i believe in tranquility

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its funny, christians who dont say anything about what CHRIST had to say about homosexuality: NOTHING! You cant hate someone because they are born that way. If God hates homosexuality, why the hell does God make people Homosexual!? .......hm.....BECAUSE ITS NOT A SIN. Its like being born black, its pointless to hate someone over something they have no control over.
 
fromthe heart

fromthe heart

Well-Known Member
waacman said:
The reason I ask is this: suppose I say that a homosexual lifestyle is wrong, I not only say it is wrong, but the reason that it is wrong is b/c the Bible tells us that it is.

I find so many times when I try to explain to ppl that I don't hate homosexuals, I just believe that their lifestyle is a sin, they tell me that I'm condemning them (only God can condemn people), or judging (only God can do this as well) them, or some other ridiculous statement about me doing something to them, when in reality, I merely take what the Bible says and restate it to them.
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I fully agree with you and what you said....but there is something we MUST remember all sin has the same rating with God...God hates ALL sin as some posters have said.

I can only say that we all sin in one way or another but in being a sinner a Christian has to ask for forgivness from that sin and it's said BY Jesus in the Bible that you'll be forgiven and that you are to 'Go and sin no more' meaning don't repeat this sin....to live as a homosexual you are acknowledging you are willingly sinning....It's no different than someone who steals repeatedly,kills repeatedly,envies everything everyone else has repeatedly,commits adultry repeatedly...the list goes on and on. It's a sin...I don't know personally how a person who is born to kill can change, how a person is born to steal can change, etc....but we are to try. We are NOT to sit in judgement over anyone else unless you are without sin and so far the only person born without sin was Jesus so it's really up to Him (and those who really do believe in Him) to deal with. The Christians who would beat up a Homosexual or do anything including be emotionally hurtful is also NOT following the Scriptures and that is sin as well......Let they who is without sin cast the first stone'!!!!
 
Mike182

Mike182

Flaming Queer
i believe in tranquility said:
mike-show me QUOTES please. From Jesus also. There is no point in arguing when you give no proof of what you say from the prime scripture. My proof is that there is no proof that Jesus said that being gay is "bad".
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jesus tought on a lot of things, most of them being thigs he disagreed with in relation to the pharasees - the pharasees saw homosexuality as bad/wrong - if jesus disagreed with this, surely he would have said so

i accept fluffy's point that we do not have every bit of ministry jesus ever gave, and i'm sure scriptures have been taken away from by the early church - im just saying that because we can't see jesus saying it is bad, does not lead to the conclusion that jesus thinks it is not bad
 
Mike182

Mike182

Flaming Queer
waacman said:
oh and to boot, I believe you can be a Christian and a homosexual at the same time, just a sinning Christian that should stop his homosexual practice
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yea, unless you're gay and have tried to "not be", you will simply not understand :(
 
Mike182

Mike182

Flaming Queer
DanDanTheCoffeyMan said:
God did not make him gay.
Homosexuality is a sin but god loves sinners but if he does not change, he will end up in hell.
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thats an interesting view

tell me, have you ever sinned? did you repent for it? after repenting for it, did you do it again? if yes, then by your argument, well, i guess i will see you down there ;)
 
Mister_T

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
DanDanTheCoffeyMan said:
God did not make him gay.
Homosexuality is a sin but god loves sinners but if he does not change, he will end up in hell.
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Why hello God. Who's watching heaven? :rolleyes:
 
Mister_T

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
mr.guy said:
Every time i hear this argument, i'm more inclined to believe that hell is the "place to be".
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And I wouldn't blame you. It's that type of attitude that deters people from Christianity. It's a good thing Christ came down and that everyone has access to the Bible so people can find out the TRUTH about what Christianity is REALLY about. (in case you're wondering, it's LOVE)
 
Mister_T

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
waacman said:
The reason I ask is this: suppose I say that a homosexual lifestyle is wrong, I not only say it is wrong, but the reason that it is wrong is b/c the Bible tells us that it is.

I find so many times when I try to explain to ppl that I don't hate homosexuals, I just believe that their lifestyle is a sin, they tell me that I'm condemning them (only God can condemn people), or judging (only God can do this as well) them, or some other ridiculous statement about me doing something to them, when in reality, I merely take what the Bible says and restate it to them.
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If being gay is a sin, then it is no different then any other. And you should treat and preach each one with the same amount of energy and enthusiasm. Your intentions are good, but you're only looking at it from one point of view. Yours. Imagine what that person feels like when you tell them something like that. You are not perfect. You don't have the right to point the finger. And this person knows this. And the result is you turn most people off to Christ's message. Not what you wanted and not an effective form of communication. If God wanted you to tell people "the rules" we wouldn't need the Bible. God doesn't need you to restate his rules. That's why the Bible exists. He tells us through the Bible what he expects from us. What God DOES need you to do is to tell people about him. Show love and compassion for others and tell them that this is what God is about. You're supposed to be telling people about how much God loves them. Not that they are wrong. He needs you to set a loving example for others and plant the seed. He will handle the rest. HE WILL LET THAT PERSON KNOW IF WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS WRONG. A lot of people who claim to be following Jesus' example need to start showing it with their actions instead of their mouth. Jesus didn't stand out in front of night clubs handing out copies of the Old Testament. He got his hands dirty. He hung out with the outcasts. He hung out with the opressed and the undesirables. He interacted with these people and set an example and showed them what life was all about. So go on all of you Christians with clean hands (and there are a lot of you). GO GET YOUR HANDS DIRTY! if you believe that being gay is wrong, then don't just play it safe by singling out the gays. Go out there and start preaching to the gang members, rapists and drug dealers....you know...THE SINNERS. Otherwise, still thy tongue.:)
 
Mister_T

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
*Ahem*.......back to the topic. Yes I believe you can be gay and still be in God's good graces.
 
Evenstar

Evenstar

The Wicked Christian
DanDanTheCoffeyMan said:
God did not make him gay.
Homosexuality is a sin but god loves sinners but if he does not change, he will end up in hell.
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The attitude your portraying in your post makes me sick. Are you God's spokes man or something.
I would say God would look into their hearts...​
I feel you are judging, and your Bible will tell you not to do that :tsk:
 
waacman

waacman

Restoration of everything
DanDanTheCoffeyMan said:
God did not make him gay.
Homosexuality is a sin but god loves sinners but if he does not change, he will end up in hell.
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I agree with you about God not making him gay, but I'm confused on how he'll end up in hell if he is a Christian who has accepted Christ as his Saviour (cause I believe this thread was about being a Christian AND being a homosexual at the same time). Were you implying that he wasn't a Christian? As a Christian and a homosexual, he'll be accountable to God for all his actions, just like everybody else will when the time comes.
 
nutshell

nutshell

Well-Known Member
i believe in tranquility said:
no matter what you guys want to think, homosexuality is from birth, therefore God made that person homosexual.
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Well, we live in a Fallen world --- things certainly aren't perfect, including births.

Besides, there's just as much evidence that suggests homosexuality is caused by environmental factors.
 
jeffrey

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
Is it just me that hates all these labels? 'God made gays' 'Your born gay' Being gay is not a birth defect.... If you believe in God, God made us all.... EQUAL. If you don't believe in God, guess what? We're all STILL EQUAL. End of. :jam: Unfortunately, gays don't get treated that way. In part, because of stuff like this.
 
d.

d.

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'sexuality' in itself is a modern concept. noone was 'homosexual' or 'heterosexual' before the late 19th century.

i myself don't at all believe in genetic factors - to me, sexuality is environmental/culture, at least as far as we can know. that doesn't mean anything in terms of 'right' or 'wrong'. homo- or bisexuality can't be 'cured', and there's no reason to try.

nobody's getting hurt. quite the opposite, in fact.
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i feel deeply for homosexual christians, i guess they can't help being christian either. god knows you have to take a lot of [insert your own word here, choose desired strength].
 
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